B: Therron was only on the ranch 18 months total and Jennifer and her husband had been feeding, caring for the horses and helping on the ranch approximately 1 year before Therron came to the ranch and were feeding the horses until November 2014 and that’s when we let Therron be volunteer manager so it was 12 months not 18.

C: Therron helped his wife Stacey who was a temp 1099 in my office at Granite Shield.

D: I never fought with Therron; I treated him like a brother always trying to keep him from committing suicide. Debbie has months of texts that she and Therron communicated and talked on the ranch as well He would come to the ranch and say his wife stopped him from hanging himself in the garage with the extension cord. I would let him brush and walk Duchess which became his therapy horse while he was on the ranch. His last day verified by a text on November 28, 2015 stated he had to leave because of his stress level and he needed to get a paying job and he harbored no ill will to us. Text will be provided.

E: Therron admits he has no horse experience.

F: The hay feeding was determined by the weight and quality of the bales available. Animal Control was on our ranch every other month since 2014 and never found an underweight horse. I knew how to feed horses and he is lying about any conversations. The email from Willa Bagwell Executive Director of Animal Friends of the Valleys from March 13, 2014 will confirm that.

Debbie responds please see the resume of DVM Charles Edgerly. A Veterinarian for small and large animals for approximately 40 years. Craig and Debbie had approximately 4 years of training almost on a daily basis from DVM Charles Edgerly and assisted him with any animal care, medical need, colic and trained how to properly feed horses and farm animals.

G: I have no knowledge whether he did research or not.

Debbie responds DVM Charles Edgerly graduated from UC Davis please refer to his resume.

H: We never underfed the horses see Animal Control inspections. We had one on October 15, 2015

I: False accusations I always fed enough.

Debbie responds none of the horses have ever missed a meal or animals and are fed the appropriate amount of food for them. We always had access to funds to pay for feed.

J: So now he says the horse’s maintained their weight. How is that possible if we were underfeeding? Colic did not cause the horses to lose weight but worms did. We would worm them and up their feed to fix the weight loss. Cribbing is a habit caused by boredom the Cribbers we had on the ranch were brought to us in that condition. We tried cribbing collars which would end up choking the horse so we found that by putting them in pasture with hotwire fencing, they had nothing to crib on and after a few months it cured them. It’s also a mild shock and not harmful to the horses. How can heat cause weight loss on a horse this is false, cold would make them burn more calories and we would feed more in the cold months.

K: This is true they took all the water bottles which Debbie and I provided for the ranch and would recycle them and buy more feed with our recyclables.

L: The best way to feed a horse is alfalfa, for both nutrition and price. 1 bale of hay cost $16.00 and weighed 100 to 120 pounds. It usually had 15 flakes or more in it and your average horse needs one flake per feeding. That’s a cost of $1.00 per horse per feeding. When feeding pellets or hay stretcher it takes 5 pounds of pellets so the 50 pound bag would only feed 10 horses for a cost of $2.00 per horse. Therron never did the math and it was a waste of money.

Debbie responds personally I prefer alfalfa and grain such as rice bran, beet pulp, senior to supplements. Just like for a human you can go to a vitamin store and buy vitamins but not all vitamins are good for you. The same as supplements for horses, some aren’t good and actually can make a horse sick. Today our horses are healthier than ever and I do believe it is because they are not getting all the crap the volunteers gave to some of the horses that the volunteers did not get permission to give to the horses.

M: There were 72 horses at the most.

N: We bought feed every day or weekly, He admits we bought hay at Menifee Feed. And when we had to transfer money to that credit card it was a transfer of our own funds to Blue Pearl Project and Therron admits he talks to Debbie.

O: I did not owe money to Menifee feed. Their hay was more costly than Round up Feed and they did not deliver, so when we ordered hay from Round Up it was for delivery and if Round Up could not deliver we bought from Menifee Feed because it was 10 minutes away. We continued to buy from both until we moved, we had an account with Round Up and we did get behind for a while and Chris the owner would come over because he lived 10 minutes down the road. We would agree on a payment plan and they continued to supply us. We paid with debit card more than checks. Round Up was paid in full when we moved the ranch.

P: Therron was trained by Debbie’s daughter Jennifer and son in law how to feed horses and every day I worked with Therron and taught him the proper way to make wet feed and what supplements and medicine to give the horses. We only had 72 horses; Therron stated on M. that we had 70 to 80 horses now it’s up to 90 I wish he would make up his mind and remember his lies. Debbie also communicated how to feed with Therron. Debbie responds it was required by our insurance company a release of liability was to be signed. The insurance was close to $800 per month for a visitor or volunteer to come onto the property.

Q: The sanctuaried horses were not sponsored or boarded, they were given to the ranch with the understanding they would live there the rest of their lives and we honored our word and contracts. We started the ranch as a sanctuary but could rehome and we did. We rescued a painted horse that a Native American which did The Talking Circle in our tipi liked the horse, we named it Apache. Therron had an attachment to Apache and decided he would call the horse Sioux. When we adopted him out Therron was very upset. The horse was rescued by a volunteer on our ranch and she was a trainer who rode him and he was ride able and we always had pellets for the horses that needed additional nutrition. Regarding floating teeth. Our Vet named DVM Charles Edgerly inspected Apache and said he did not need its teeth floated. Therron decided he was going to become a teeth floater and went to a school for 2 weeks in Idaho I believe. When he got back he had changed. He did not have a license to float teeth by the Veterinarian’s board, so it was illegal for him to do so without a Vet there to assist. Therron and Doc had a loud disagreement inside our tipi because Therron was wanting to do Floating without a Vet. Doc was actually the Vet who helped write the laws in Sacramento regarding Floating Teeth. Therron said he was going to pull teeth and everything which he was not legally able to do. When Therron mentioned pulling horses teeth really upset Debbie. Therron started having mini seizures on the ranch after he got back. Barbara Barnaba and I helped take care of him during one of these seizures, it came on without any warning and he just sat there and couldn’t speak for at least 15 minutes.

R: Regarding floating teeth. Our Vet named Dr. Charles Edgerly inspected the horses and said they did not need their teeth floated. Therron decided he was going to become a teeth floater and went to a school for 2 weeks in Idaho I believe. When he got back he had changed. He did not have a license to float teeth by the veterinarian’s board, so it was illegal for him to do so without a vet there to assist. Therron and Doc had a loud disagreement inside our Tipi because Theron was wanting to do Floating without a Vet. Doc was actually the Vet who helped write the laws in Sacramento regarding Floating Teeth. Therron said he was going to pull teeth and everything which he was not legally able to do. Horse’s teeth all grow at a different rate and some never need their teeth floated; out of the 72 horses we have had we just had Dr. Wetzel from Temeku Equine come out and out of 72 horses we had only 4 horses needed their teeth floated.

S: His statements were false, the pastured horses were riding horses and none of them were lame. Some were sanctuaried but not all. I never discussed a list of sanctuaried horses we discussed that were available for adoption

T: JJ condition was inoperable per the Vets from UC Davis and all the other vets that inspected him. He was leaking lymph not blood and even when he was down he was able to get back up. He was happy and content and not suffering so who is qualified to decide when to kill a horse. It’s a matter of quality of life and JJ was happy until the end. We did not receive $800.00 to keep JJ alive he was one of 13 horses that we were paid $800 per month for all 13 which was from Spirit Rescue. That’s only $61.00 per horse per month and because JJ was on alfalfa and a wet bucket it cost $90.00 per month to feed him so it wasn’t because we were making money we lost money every month.

U: The statement is false there was never an option for surgery and we never had a discussion about it. The Vet from Animal Friends of the Valleys Animal Control Laurie Proctor inspected JJ during one of their false visits and knew what the condition was and did not agree to have him put down. Check Animal Control reports.

V: Pete had a bad hip but got along fine even getting up and down. Horses never need to lie down; they have locking knees which allows them to sleep standing up. Each time Pete went down and when it became more difficult for him I would suggest it would be time to put him down. Pete was also one of the 13 horses we rescued from Spirit Rescue and he was used for therapy, we had children on the ranch that painted him in water colors and then we would give him a bath. He was never standing in a foot of manure we had volunteers cleaning stalls continuously of myself, Debbie, kids, volunteers would do it.

W: We never had a foot of manure in the stalls. Any horse can get thrush, we had one horse we rescued that even in pasture where there was no wet spots he would get thrush and abyss’s we only left an inch of dried manure in the stalls since that helped the horses feet because it was softer and kept them from eating sand when they were fed. We treated thrush with Betadine or Thrush Buster on any horse that got it. Again Animal Control inspected almost monthly and never found any evidence of this statement. Debbie responds I inspected the ranch and animals a minimum of 2 times each day. Before volunteers or visitors came on the property, may times between 12 PM and 3 PM and evenings after volunteers and visitors had left. Inspections I did included looking at all the horses and animals, checking to see if they were laying down, condition of the stall, condition of the water bucket, how much water they had, if their stall needed cleaning or a broken water pipe. Water buckets were placed in areas that all a horse had to do is stick it’s head into another horse’s stall. This is a group of people that are a volunteer and falsifying information for their gain. I always reported to Craig the conditions. If a horse was down and I couldn’t get the horse up I called Craig. We have never had a foot of manure. I have thousands of photos and videos almost on a daily basis and my photos and videos do not show that.

X: Our Farrier charged $35.00 and he came out at least every 2 weeks and we would do the longest horses and then volunteers and sponsors would pay for additional horses. Horses needed trims at different times. The horses in pasture would wear theirs down so they only needed it maybe once every 3 to 4 months.

Debbie responds the majority of the horse’s hooves were not paid by sponsors or volunteers. Very little was donated to the ranch so the majority of the ranch bills paid from Craig and Debbie. Considering the insurance was so high it really would have been better to not allow volunteers or visitors and just hire a ranch hand but Craig and Debbie wanted to share the unwanted horses with those that wanted to be with horses but for whatever reason couldn’t. It was made clear to all we are a sanctuary.

Y: We had at least around 30 volunteers who would come out to the ranch at different times and sometimes never see another one because they just missed each other. Sandy was a paid volunteer by a County Program and she only was allowed 12 to 15 hours a week by the SERTZ program. She did not buy or supply food to our knowledge except she would buy treats for the horses. She only worked with 4 horses per visit and sometimes could water more than the 4.

Debbie responds I have been contacted for years, several times per week male and female of all ages asking to volunteer on the ranch. Many find it therapeutic to clean horse’s stalls, love on them, groom them. We had on the ranch daily doing chores such as mucking stalls. The only time I saw bad conditions is when we had rain. I also have photos and videos of our rain storms.

Z: Yes Granite Shield made most of the money for the ranch. I did not ask Therron to work for me I hired his wife and he volunteered his time to help her. I never paid Therron money just his wife and she was part time 1099 we did not set hours or expectation. We were never a year behind on product.

1. Since we did not get enough donations other than about $3000.00 per month and since it costs $7200 per month just to feed we had to donate our profits to the rescue to pay the bills.

2. He never adopted the horse; he never paid a dime for sponsorship. We had many sponsored horses on the ranch as a source of income. We did adopt many horses out if the person proved reliable.

3. We did not mix products they were premade, there were no toxic products and all MSDS forms were in the office if he asked. We did not need respiratory protection.

4. Doc had been a large animal Vet for 20 years, and then switched to a small animal vet for 20 years and then retired and came to our ranch we have purchase receipts which show vaccines purchased by Doc and were given to the horses. He also treated and vaccinated the cats and dogs.

5. The property was leased by Blue Pearl Project Inc. and guaranteed by Craig and Debbie. Debbie and I made decisions on the ranch.

6. Animal Control always said we met minimum level of care. When Therron asked if he could Adopt Duchess I replied she was our therapy horse and was sanctuaried by contract along with the other horse we rescued from a Veterans wife who was moving out of country to be with her husband who stationed abroad. I never told him $10,000 dollars because I could not adopt Duchess out. Are you seeing the pattern yet? Everyone who was denied adopting a horse has attacked me and lied to get what they want.

Debbie responds it was always made clear Duchess is a sanctuaried horse and therapy horse. She was not available for rehoming for any amount of money.

7. Therron was on medication and informed me he was smoking marijuana to control his anxiety and depression. He was suicidal and suffering mini strokes.

8. I agreed Dallas should be put down but Melodee Latta was able to approach and take care of Dallas so I left Dallas in her care and the care of Dr. Chris Huth the vet. Until Holly Wilcox adopted him for Melodee Latta.

Debbie responds Dallas was under DVM. Chris Huth’s care should DVM Chris Huth suggest Dallas needed to be put down he would have.

9. He never talked to me about the feeling of the horses. And Debbie does have a connection and did know what the horses wanted and needed.

10. He left because we wouldn’t sell him Duchess. We rescued this horse on May 26, 2015 about 6 PM. The horse was just picked up in Hemet where it had been abandoned and left in a large field we were attempting to round it up when it tripped in a gopher hole and collapsed on the ground we were able to get it up. We brought back to the ranch and it wasn’t hot in May and it was very thin. The horse died on a foggy morning May 28, 2015 and it had seemed fine. It had nothing to do with weather. We try to save them all but sometimes you can’t. She must have had internal injuries from her fall before we picked her up. Debbie has many photos regarding this horse.

11. This horse named Princess was part of the 13 rescued horses. She died June 9, 2015 she was not Colicing and it did not go on all day. Doc determined the horse had a stroke and yes it was having convulsion and throwing itself to the ground. I asked Holly Wilcox and Therron to leave the ranch so I could put the horse down. I did shoot it in the head with my 9mm to put it out of its misery. I did not want Holly or Theron to witness this as it’s very sad to take a life and Therron couldn’t handle it. She was also about 30 yrs old. Doc was there to witness and pronounce her dead.

12. The one in the round pen died on her own from her injuries. I did not shoot the horse.

13. Debbie did document the horse dying and Doc did come to the ranch and it just passed away.

14. He was having mini strokes and that’s when he would tell me his neck and head hurt we have a text conversation about him going to my Chiropractor at ChiroMed in Murrieta.

15. It was not his horse.

16. We had around 60 chickens were for sale or trade and there was no more than 20 free range chickens. The boxes in the garage were brooder boxes. After chickens hatched they were put into the main chicken coops. These were purebred chickens worth about $50.00 per piece to help feed the animals.

Debbie responds there were not hundreds of chickens. The brooder boxes in the garage or barn were not used for years. They were for baby chicks and when they grew up were put in a chicken coop. There was the main chicken coop that Debbie designed and Craig and Debbie built that had what we call a screened in patio. Chickens inside the coop were able to go in and out through a door. They were not locked into the main chicken coop. Their water and food was in the screened in patio area. The chicken coop cost approximately $3,500 in material. The large chicken coop and patio was considered the chicken hospital. They all were saved either from their momma hen killed by a coyote or they had an injury. The smaller chicken coops inside contained small Silkie purebred chickens. There was a dog crate with a mean rooster and a couple of baby ducks that were purchased at Tractor Supply that were donated to the ranch and when they got larger were put in a large dog kennel with a swimming pool and dog house. Outside chicken coops contained purebred chickens many that are rare. Debbie has photos of the chicken coops being built. They are 2 story with a ladder. The chicken decides if they want to be upstairs or downstairs. The chickens were fed daily approximately 3 quarts of Layer Pellets and chicken scratch. Sometimes the chickens were fed in the morning, sometimes in the evening depending on how much feed they still had left on the ground from the day before. The ground was watered daily so they could scratch the ground of fluff their feathers and roll in the dirt. They were watered on a daily basis. There was an area that had concrete pavers, a plastic chair and a toilet bowl brush to clean and fill the water containers. Around late 2016 / early 2017 Debbie replaced the water containers with galvanized 2 gallon water containers from Tractor Supply that cost approximately $27.99 each so the chicken coops would have lots of water. Sometimes the chicken would scratch and dirt would go onto the water containers and a hose was used to remove the dirt or mud. Debbie was the one that did most of the care for the chickens until Jimmy came on the ranch early 2017. Jimmy wanted to care for most of the animals at that time or over see the care. Debbie communicated with Jimmy by phone or text on a daily basis in 2017 making sure the care and feeding was done, if not Debbie did it or made sure someone else did it. Diatomachious earth was put in all chicken coops and the manure was sold to those that garden. The chicken coops were scraped clean and hosed out. Debbie designed the tortoise condo and enclosure. Craig and Paige built it. Paige helped build many things on the ranch. The Tortoise condo included a radiator heater and was hosed out often. The tortoise ate romaine lettuce, fruits and vegetables. Debbie has many photos of the chickens and tortoises.

17. There were only 30 chickens in the main coop and they had a door to the screened in patio we used diatomaceous earth to control mites we did buy feed and they all had water and Debbie would clean them out to sell the chicken manure and then hose out the coops. The chicken manure was also used for fertilizer for the California Pepper trees on the ranch. The chickens in each coop were fed approximately 3 quarts per day of Lay Mash and Chicken Scratch. If the chickens were fed late afternoon / early evening they got more food so that when they came down from their second level chicken coop there was food for them around 5 AM to 6 AM in the morning. Many times Debbie would water them between 8:00 AM to 10:30 AM, when it would be very warm outside Debbie would mist them with a hose and add water to their dishes. Many times the water dishes were filled later afternoon. There was an area by the ranch house Debbie had concrete pavers, a chair and scrub brush to clean the chicken water bowls. In the future Debbie purchased approximately 13 2 gallon galvanized chicken waterers from Tractor Supply. Each costing approximately $27.99 each so the chickens could have more water and easy to spray water into. Debbie would wet down the dirt in the chicken area so that they could scratch for fresh ground worms and fluff their wings in the dirt.

18. They were brooder boxes and the chickens all had plenty of room to move around then would be moved to the bigger coop when they were big enough. The chickens in the garage were the free range chickens that came with the ranch and they would sleep in the rafters.

19. Therron, I and other volunteers took care of the cats in the office we always supplied cat food and litter for the cats. They never starved and I don’t know if Therron bought cat food or litter.

Debbie responds we all took care of the cats in the L shaped building. If they were low on food or water it was given to them. Craig was in that building everyday. If food or litter needed to be purchased it was. We never asked a volunteer to buy feed or litter for the cats.

20. There were 2 cats and 4 kittens which Janelle took the kittens and sold them. We released the two cats into the barn and they were soon eaten by the owl. After Jennifer and her husband left the ranch. Therron couldn’t wait to clean out the bedroom and he took Jennifer’s dog without anyone’s permission. Debbie rescued 6 cats later and put them in the bedroom of the ranch house where she cared for them. The cats never went days without food. The minute anyone needed cat food or litter, Debbie already has some or it was purchased the same day.

21. The Log Cabin became the cat house.

Debbie responds the Log Cabin costs approximately $5,800 and was meant for the 6 cats. There was never more than 6 cats in the Log Cabin. The Log Cabin was very insulated and was comfortable. The logs on the side, the big oak tree and the ventilation on the roof kept the Log Cabin cool. If it was cold the cats had a radiator heater. They had a fan. They did have a self cleaning litter box but it wasn’t working properly. The Log Cabin had a doggy door and windows. They had several containers of water and food. If anyone is familiar with cats they move things around such as food dishes, water dishes, dump their food on the floor and even with clean litter boxes many times pee and poop on the floor and scratch their litter on the floor. The wood plywood was sealed and vinyl flooring was added. A Tractor Supply container contained cat food. Unfortunately 3 times my daughter Jennifer had gone missing. Once she was held against her will in an abandoned trailer in Perris. Code Enforcement found her. In about a 20 mile radius from Lake Elsinore Debbie put up fliers everywhere. Someone that worked for Code Enforcement in Perris saw one of the posted fliers and contacted Debbie that she just saw her daughter Jennifer with the guy. She gave the location and Debbie and family went to the location where Jennifer was held against her will. Debbie has photos. Darryl. Held my daughter Jennifer against her will in an abandoned trailer in Perris. Drugged her, tied her up and threatened her life. His obsession with her we believe he came onto the Bundy Canyon property and stole many of her personal items. She is still being threatened by him. The last time Jennifer went missing was approximately 2 weeks before the so called raid. Debbie has numerous texts communication with Debbie Harris regarding Jennifer was missing. Debbie has months of texts regarding Jennifer when she was missing and after the so called raid. Debbie believed Darryl found her and may do harm to her. Debbie during the day would search for her daughter. Jimmy assured her that he was caring for the animals. Debbie did her majority of the chores she was responsible for. There was daily phone and texts communication with Debbie and Jimmy. Please refer to documentation Debbie has provided.

22. There were 2 tortoises after our first one went missing. All the kids loved to come and feed the Tortoises lettuce, hay and fruit.

23. We only had 1 goat when Therron was there.

24. After Therron left the ranch we started getting calls from Code Enforcement and Animal Control on a regular basis, we did not think it was Therron at the time until we found Facebook pages of Therron telling people to call Animal Control all the time. Even though that have never stepped foot on our ranch. We even have a Facebook page screen shot where Therron brags about sitting on the hillside watch Debbie and I and as soon as we would leave the ranch someone would call Animal Control with the same line every time, no water and no hay. After every visit from Animal Control we were given a clean bill of health. I went to Animal Friends of the Valleys and complained about the harassment we were being put through so I told them I was locking my gates and they had an open door policy with us just call ahead and I would let them in. After the “raid” Officer Middleton claimed that when we locked the gate that was a sign of a problem. The problem was the fake calls and harassment as well as the surveillance Therron was doing on us. And when we were looking for a new location Therron went on Facebook and told everyone to call real-estate agents and refuse to present offers to rent, lease or sell us property all of this happened before any criminal case. That’s why we hired the Nicholas Law Firm to help us stop the harassment. Code Enforcement never cited us for a violation.

25. Therron had no experience with horses other than therapy and tried to train them which he did not know how to do so we asked him to stop ruining the horses.

Debbie responded horses we wanted to rehome we didn’t want Therron working with them because basically his lack of experience was doing harm to them. We wanted him to focus on one horse.

26. Therron did not know how to feed horses other than what I taught him. I grew up on a ranch in Utah and my Uncle raised race horses. I had been feeding since 2012 and we have an Animal Control report dated March 12, 2014 that’s when Laurie Proctor Vet was there and reported to the city of Wildomar how we fed horses and it was all good. This comment is false Debbie let many people ride Domino on trail we always use our two personal horses Bo and Domino since they were the best riding horses on the ranch.

27. Debbie ran our business from her iPhone so anytime someone saw her she was usually working. False statement we rarely sat under a tree and we always took care of the horses.

28. Barbara Barnaba was supposed to write grants and never got one. She did give therapeutic riding classes to Autistic kids and Veterans.

29. Denise Fager wanted to change our ranch from Western to English style and it did not fit our business model. She was quite abrasive and we did not see eye to eye. Changing from Western to English Denise wanted us to pay for the change out of our own pockets.

30. We did do equine assisted therapy that’s what he got when he came there. We also had Barbara, and then later Tanya Westcott was a therapist on the ranch.

Debbie responds we did do therapy on the ranch. We have newspaper story regarding it and hundreds of photos and videos. Even a newspaper story when Holly Wilcox was interviewed stating when she volunteers she helps clean horse stalls. She admitted to mucking stalls. Debbie has a photo of Holly being interviewed sitting next to Holly and Holly praised Oak Meadows Ranch to the reporter. No complaint came out of Hollys’s mouth.

31. I don’t believe Therron ever got a certificate in Eagala and I never practiced Eagala, but Barbara Barnaba, was a Certified Eagala Specialist and she gave the Autistic client animal assisted therapy.

32. Micah was a licensed billing specialist and was billing for the therapists using Oak Meadows Ranch. We have rehomed many horses so we are not hoarder’s just ranchers. Oak Meadows failed because the economy crashed the year we opened, and the horse industry became glutted with abandoned horses, so the market for rehoming horses dried. Our personal finances suffered from the recession of 2012. And people like this group kept telling everyone not to donate money to us out of spite when we would not sell them a sanctuaried or our personal horses that we bought for a trail riding program. The people allowed to manage the ranch were the same ones who were sabotaging the ranch at the same time.

33. Every horse rescue that is not licensed were called flippers they take someone’s loving horse and tell them they would never sell them and then would sell them immediately or take them to slaughter. Many of the rescues are being abused by these flippers who conn people into shutting down good rescues so they can take the horses and flip them. The horses were donated to the ranch because we refused to be a flipper or sell horses to slaughter. We rehomed many great riding horses the lame ones were offered as companion horses to people who don’t ride but love to take care of animals.

34. Every one of these people that adopted horses killed them, it is safer for the horse not to adopt them. We rescued the horses and allowed people on the ranch to be with horses, as many of them said to get their horse fix. Therron wasn’t here to buy a horse but to get therapy. If I had let him buy Duchess I could not have a let an Autistic girl named Lea become so much better because she rode Duchess, we never offered to sell Duchess because she was sanctuaried and our only therapy horse small enough for children.

35. The movement on Facebook was caused by Kara Stotesbury Johnson who was a volunteer on our ranch and wanted to buy the sanctuaried horse named Goldie along with our good riding horse named Outlaw. Debbie has all the texts communication about this. When we refused Kara went to Forgotten Horses Rescue. They are on 1.88 acres of land and exceed the amount of horses they have on their property. They have already had a reputation of calling Animal Control and the city with fake accusations. They go to Mike’s Livestock Auction and take photos of the horses available asking and receiving thousands in donations per horse through PayPal that night then the majority of the horses they purchase disappear. They receive donated horses with the promise to keep forever and within a week the previous owner cannot find their horse they donated. If they managed to shut down our rescue they were ready to pick up all the horses then they flip them or sell them at auction and probably to horse slaughter. Many of our horses are old and they would probably just sell them to a kill buyer. Kara started a facebook page and made it look like we were under investigation and that’s when we had so many visits by Animal Control and passed every single inspection like the one March 12, 2014 . If you read Debbie and Kara’s text communication what was said before March 12, 2014 is completely different from what she says now including Therron, Paige, Melodee and Holly. And we hired attorney Raxter Law to write a Cease and Desist letter and file a lawsuit. Documentation is provided. When Kara and those harassing us were served a Cease and Desist letter and the lawsuit, our security dog named Zeus was poisoned the next day. We rushed him to the vet and the vet found sweet horse feed laced with poison and we have no poison on our ranch, and Kara was always making sweet feed treats for the horses. What a coincidence.

Debbie responds I have so much documentation that proves Kara and Therron are liars. I have my texts communication. This is all about modern day horse theft.

36. Jenna wanted to adopt Charlie who was rescued by our first board of director named Luanne. He was very emaciated and a horrible cribber. He had been attacked on the property we picked him up from by 5 pit bulls and had at least 7 holes clear through his skin. We called the Vet and it took 3 months to heal Charlie, and then he asked me to ride him for the first time and he was the best trail rider, Jenna worked to rehabilitate Charlie and she volunteered all the time. We considered Charley our mascot and did not want to adopt him out so Jenna bought another horse. In summary we refused to sell a horse that was sanctuaried and refused to make him a paid manager and so he went on the attack calling Code Enforcement with fake claims and Animal Control with fake claims and harassed and spied and caused us severe trauma watching us all the time. He even followed me to the new property, posted our address on Facebook and spied on us there and made fake calls to Code Enforcement and Animal Control that we passed every time as well.

Debbie is now paranoid and afraid for her life due to these unwarranted attacks, she now has anxiety she has to see a doctor for and in January 2018 Debbie got very sick. Debbie has the Facebook communication of Therron posting about contacting all real estate agents in the area to not lease or sell a property or home to Craig and Debbie and that Therron followed Craig to the new location and posted the address on Facebook. Debbie has months worth of texts from both Therron Hubbell and Kara Stotesbury Johnson proving Craig and the one’s telling the truth and the others are not telling the truth. It’s a financial gain for Kara Stotesbury Johnson and or Forgotten Horses Rescue to get the horses from Oak Meadows Ranch.

Regarding David Boyd:

A: David admits he has no horse experience:

B: The first text I have from Jill was Oct. 18 2016.

C: True April 6, 2017 I informed him he was not welcome back on the ranch. I did not say the group because I did not know who it was. Animal Control never found anything wrong.

D: True

Debbie responds for years before a volunteer did anything on the ranch they were to be with an experienced Volunteer.

E: He was not negotiating buying horses, I refused to sell my horse Sapphire to him and his wife, he also wanted Cody which was rescue but we did not have him on the list as available for adoption, I finally let Jill adopt Autumn.

Debbie responds I found Sapphire at Mike’s Livestock Auction approximately October 2012. No Blue Pearl Project funds were used. Sapphire is my personal horse and has never been available for sale. I have been offered thousands for her in the past by several people. Cody is a rescue I did without the presence of Craig. My very first rescue from a divorcing family in the Temecula Wine Country. Cody was their teenager’s horse. The whole family cried and asked for him to never be rehomed. They choose us because we were a sanctuary. Cody was rescued before Oak Meadows Ranch even existed and we boarded him for $250 a month at the Wooden Nickel in Menifee, CA

F: False, we never were going to sell them a horse, and David was not there to sign any documents The Arena was not blocked by manure it was the natural drain area for east side of the ranch and the heavy rains carved the ravine down the middle of the arena. He never proposed building a drain I was asking for donations to buy the material and fix it myself when David offered to buy the material and rent the backhoe if I sold him Sapphire.

G: False, False, False, what a liar. The document was a new volunteer liability release that stated they agreed not to provide false and misleading information to authorities.

H: We never knew who was calling Animal Control but each time we were given a clean bill of health so they started making up more lies to shut us down and steal the horses we wouldn’t sell. That’s known as a horse thief. They are just using the government as their strong-arm.

I: False I gave the document to his wife because she wanted to stay on the ranch. There was never an agreement to sell him our horses. Jill donated $100.00 to sponsor and signed the document.

J: The horses weren’t underfed and 50 pounds of carrots would not feed horses so I recommended if they were going to spend that much money they could buy hay pellets which would feed more horses.

K: every time someone would say the barn was empty which was usually Melodee, Debbie would walk out and take a picture of 30 bales of hay. If we did not have a delivery scheduled we would take the dually truck and buy 10 to 20 bales each trip. Those $100 dollars would have been a sponsorship. Not a down payment or purchase

L: False Jill was sponsoring Sapphire with full knowledge that she was our personal horse and was not for sale. Yes we had an Edison bill which ran about $850 per month. And our insurance bill was $800 a month to allow people on the ranch. Many calls were made to code enforcement and I received no citation. The property is zoned RR4 which means rural (horses) residential 4 (up to 4 houses on the property. I was not zoned as a commercial dump site but that is what the original owner named Jack did to the property at least 30% of it was dumped concrete tile asphalt etc. we complained to the owner every time we dug into it, that is why we did not complete our lease agreement to purchase. Our 2014 taxes shows $165,000 in income and 75% of that came from Debbie and I. We still have a 501c3.

Debbie responds that since approximately 2004 when Mr. Park purchased the Bundy Canyon property it was listed for sale as a residence and commercial. When Craig found the property by the request of Terry Mundy Goodwin the previous manager at the Wooden Nickel in Menifee where we boarded 8 horses $250 each. Terry no longer wanted to be ranch manager there and we were looking for 5 to 10 acres in the area with a home on it. Terry first asked us to look at a property that had a lease option and was $10,000 per month. I didn’t want to get involved in such an expensive property. I was looking in the Temecula Wine Country with about 5 to 10 acres. Craig found the Bundy Canyon property and went to the city asking questions. Terry wanted to be the ranch manager and we were supposed to continue living in the Canyon Lake home visiting the Bundy property every day. Terry Mundy Goodwin and Pam Stacey went in March 2012 to view the Bundy Canyon property and say yes or no and pick where things should go such as the arenas. Terry Mundy Goodwin was to be the ranch manager and Pam Stacey was to be the riding instructor. There was a meeting on my birthday March 15, 2012 with Terry, her husband, Johnny Ray at the Texas Roadhouse regarding plans for the ranch rescuing horses. There were currently tenants living in the house and shed on the Bundy Canyon property that were month to month. We never saw the inside of the home or shed until we signed a lease option to buy and took possession. We were never told the rolling hills had buried construction debris. We had no knowledge the ravine were filled with construction debris. The tenants had living goats and chickens on the property. They would slaughter the goats, burn the hair off with a torch. Sell the goat meat and bury in black trash bags the remains. We signed the lease option to buy and gave Mr. Park $8,000. Terry’s mother became ill so she never became ranch manager. At that point we had to go forward because we were committed. We had no idea the house was not livable because people including small babies were living in the rat infested house with plastic hanging from the ceiling to catch rat droppings. In the future we would remodel the entire house including bathroom and laundry room at our own expense. We spent approximately $20,000 remodeling the home. I can’t believe what David Boyd is saying all false. We hardly received any donations and used funds that came from ourselves or my parents. When you only receive from donors approximately $3,000 per month and the feed bill is approximately $7,000 the $3,000 went towards feed. It can’t buy anything else. It can’t cover the bills associated with the Bundy Canyon property.

M: The power pole was permitted by the city to Mr. Park the owner and that’s where the meter was installed and we paid the electric bill. I’ve never read so many stupid assumptions. All horse rescues ask their volunteers to donate money, check the other rescue websites, when we ask were accused of not being able to afford horses.

N: False. This conversation never happened we would not keep skinnier horses near the road because of all the concerned citizens would turn us in when we got a brand new rescue that needed to be fattened up. I’ve never threatened to use my guns for anything against anybody these were lies told so they could bring the cops with them on the raid. We don’t know what he told his wife but Debbie new Jill was bad news the minute she met her and told me so. Her hunches are usually correct and if I had listened to her we would not be here today with all these false accusations.

O: Are there any pictures of no food. We fed every day and never missed a feeding we were 10 minutes from Menifee Feed and would just pick up what we needed.

Debbie responds I have approximately 94 pages of text communication with Jimmy regarding feeding, feed, water, purchasing hay etc. We could order hay from Round Up first thing in the morning and it be delivered around 6 PM. If we didn’t have enough bales we would pick up hay. If it was too late for a volunteer to feed Craig and I did. We purchased most of our grain from Tractor Supply. Every time Melodee would text we were out of hay I would go into the garage and see about 30 bales of hay. The Oak Meadows Ranch websites mentions 3 places donors can purchase hay and have it delivered without giving a dime to Blue Pearl Project. Horses need hay. Every rescue I know of has fundraisers to get hay. A high percentage of our volunteers purchased crap instead of donating hay. I personally don’t understand why a volunteer or sponsor would spend say $1500 in a month on crap and not think hay was important. But their goal was for Craig and Debbie pay for everything. The horses never went without a meal, they were fed twice a day the appropriate amount of feed for them. That is one of the responsibilities of a volunteer is to fill horse water buckets. It’s done 2 to 3 times daily. I personally checked on every horse, stall and water in the morning before volunteers came and in the evening when volunteers were gone. I checked the ranch numerous times in the afternoon between 1:00 PM and 3:00 PM. If the horses needed something and no one was there Craig and I did it. So instead of filling the water buckets that were low in water and just fill them Jill takes photos and turns them into Animal Control? One of the duties of a volunteer. Craig and I have filled water buckets until 11 PM many times. Anytime anyone came to volunteer on the ranch and asked what to do I said fill the horse’s water. Jill was hardly on the ranch she didn’t know what went on before and after she left. I put in a minimum of 8 hours, 7 day a weeks, 365 days each year since 2012. I have the right when my name is on the lease to ask for donations to help feed the horses if they come onto the property. I have the right to deny people entry to the property. I have the right as a sanctuary to say yes or no to rehoming a horse. I have the right to not sell my personal horse.

P: True he was not on the ranch much

Q: Rehabbing, rehabilitating and re-homing are one thing. When a donor donate their horse and asks us not to sell it we honor that promise. If we got in a rescued horse without these stipulations we would rehome it. Many rescues accept animals saying they won’t sell it and it’s gone within a week that’s called flipping. We refuse to flip horses. We honor our word and our contracts. Every inspection on the ranch found no skinny horses even the raid found no skinny horses. So where are all these skinny animals David is talking about? The picture his wife took was doctored because we have photos before and after showing a normal weight horse and it wasn’t a race horse it was a $200,000.00 hunter jumper. We always take good of Trooper. We have rehomed dozens of horses.

Debbie responds look at the sign out front Horse Rescue and Sanctuary. It also states it on the Oak Meadows Ranch website and Facebook page. A horse rescue is not required to rehome every horse on the property. I paid anywhere from $240 to $2300 each for horses so there were good riding horses and the funds weren’t Blue Pearl Project funds or donations. We didn’t get into this to flip horses. We rescued to share with those that wanted to be with horses but were unable to because of whatever reason. Our goal was to have a sponsor for every rescued horse. If they choose a sanctuary horse or my personal horse they were told before getting attached to that horse. Jill knew from day 1 Sapphire, Cody and Little Joe were not available. Jill didn’t come to the ranch to purchase a horse, she came to volunteer. One of the duties as a volunteer is fill the bucket with water. The horses never went with food.

R: Not putting a horse down has nothing to do whether its sponsored or not however I consult with sponsors about the horse before I tell them it has to be put down, and I’ve done that many times. The quality of life as determined by me and a Vet are the only reasons to put a horse down. Not some volunteer who has no ranch experience at all.

Debbie responds what Brandon said was false Elizabeth from Spirit Horses was always consulted on the 13 horses and always donated $800 per month whether Pete, JJ, Princess etc. passed away. We didn’t keep horses alive to just get donations from their previous owner.

S: It was the second group. The first started exactly the same thing as these people making false accusations on Facebook, and every inspection proved them wrong, so we sued to stop the Facebook page and we succeeded which proves it was false. Now they stayed in the shadows making up false accusations and sharing them with each other so you will find one lie after another perpetuated by these people and we have fact and figures and photos to prove the opposite.

These comments prove there was a conspiracy to shut us down for their own gains. Including spies like Karen Baker who lied about everything. And David was so insulted that I would refuse to sell him a horse even when he tried to bribe me to sell him the horse. Then when I locked him off the ranch he was even madder. And David was the leader of this conspiracy. David is a bully and since he could not bully me he conspired to shut me down. They have libeled and slandered me in court.

Debbie responds almost on a daily basis when I would drive the golf cart checking on horses, their stalls and their waters I would take photos. I have thousands of photos on the official Oak Meadows Ranch Facebook page that shows the truth. These people are liars, bullies and want to steal horses which we have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on and it was not donor’s funds from the public. I even have photos and video of the condition of the section our horse trainer Shannon Roberts was located on the ranch and text messaging with someone regarding the conditions.

T: False we had regular volunteers taking care of Serenity after Jim and I got her up out of the stall rails. The 11 year old was Ellie Brill the daughter of Micah Brill who has been volunteering on the ranch almost since we opened, and she is an experienced horse handler.  We do not know when she went down we live on the other side of the ranch but Debbie did find Serenity down in the morning during her rounds. After we treated her for colic with a shot of banamine which is a strong pain reliever, she was up and drinking water and pooping. She even ate which usually means they have passed their blockage. On occasion they will lie down again and again until they are better. David showed up near the evening and I allowed him to walk Serenity to help that’s when he tried to bribe me with the arena repairs to buy Sapphire.

Debbie responds I have personal horses and I make the decision if I want to sell my personal horse. Craig discusses with me before we rehome any horse. If someone is interested in a horse he tells them he has to discuss it with me first. He checks with me to make sure it’s not a sanctuary horse. Serenity was perfectly fine Friday night. She had a clean stall with 2 water buckets. Approximately 8:30 AM doing my inspection of the ranch I found Serenity in the pipe stall and she knocked over some of her water from her water bucket making some of the area muddy including some mud on her. I got her calm and immediately called Craig, Craig called Jim. Serenity was freed. Craig took care of her. We were having a Gymkhana and Shannon was having a birthday party. I continuously checked on Serenity through the day, evening and night. Around 9:00 PM when all the visitors and volunteers were gone Serenity walked normal, sat down and ate her grain. I found her the next morning passed away and a horse hauler was called.

U: He admits he has no idea what colic was so who is he to judge the treatment. We were taking care of her all day into the evening.

Debbie responds the whole entire day, evening Serenity was never left alone. A Vet was consulted and we did everything DVM Charles Edgerly has done when a horse colics.

V: While a horse is Colicing they need to rest to get their strength up to stand back up it takes whatever it takes.

W: I did call the Vet and since I had treated Serenity with Banamine, water, and she had pooped plus she was standing on her own that evening the vet and I agreed to wait and see. It was always a big deal when a horse got sick. David Boyd has no idea where the jugular is but I was trained by DVM Charles Edgerly how to give the shot, and I usually hit it if you miss it just takes longer for the shot to take effect. I never gave him an explanation of how it works he is making this stuff up. I have given dozens of shots and I know where the jugular vein is and how to expose it. Serenity had been a healthy horse until that Saturday morning. Many times a horse rolls and gets stuck in the pipe stall and dint colic.

X: False I never injected next to the ear the jugular is halfway down the neck on the side of it and if I missed the vein it didn’t matter it just took longer to take effect. David has no idea where the jugular is.

Y: Serenity was not in the stall but in the arena so she could be walked. Debbie takes pictures to document the ranch and she has photos to show David is lying. If we went to dinner it’s because we need to eat. And since David was there to walk her there was no reason to starve and then we came home and took care of Serenity until 9:30 PM that night.

Debbie responds I try and document as much as possible and yes if a horse has a problem I will take photos. I have come acrossed too many liars so I try and document as much as possible. I never met so many liars regarding horses in my life. When sanctuary is listed everywhere, there is a donation box everywhere and signs saying donate that goes towards hay, hello you’re on someone’s property to help and care for horses, not steal or sabotage. When I have gone over 12 hours not eating and I have Diabetes I have the right to eat. I was the last person to see Serenity a live. This has always been a witch hunt to steal horses that weren’t available to be rehomed or sold. This is a conspiracy and staged.

Z: How could he guarantee the horse did not pass quietly? He says he doesn’t know what colic is. How does a horse poop rabbit pellets? The horse was sitting with Debbie eating the mush we make to clear a horses intestines, it has mineral oil, Senior feed, and water.  We have photos to prove this. During the night Serenity walked some more and then passed away. This is a sign of a twisted gut. Which is not curable by a Vet at the ranch, she would need surgery into thousands of dollars. And that does not guarantee them surviving. Once they twist their guts they will die.

1: False JJ had proud flesh not fungus and David has no clue what he is talking about. JJ had Vet care at all times.

Debbie responds DVM Charles Edgerly saw horses with his wife Lee who over the 40 years was his assistant and office manager and was by his side until approximately September 2016 at Oak Meadows Ranch. Other than having difficulty walking his mind was the same and functioning. If needed after DVM Charles Edgerly could no longer check on the horses of course we would consult or call in a Vet.

2: Haven’t seen the binder.

3: Yes we decided where to spend the little money from donors, and he was never on the ranch to see us feeding horses. We paid for all the Ferrier work on the ranch unless a volunteer offered to pay for it and we appreciated it when they did.

4: I do know of one time David bought hay for the ranch and we always had Ignacio as a Ferrier until Holly brought in Hannah and we used her for a while and yes I paid her as well.

5: That comment was never said by me or Debbie to anyone this is completely false and malicious.

Debbie responds false. Also Craig and I hardly ever take breaks and work 15 hour plus days. I had chairs in my dog kennels and would sit and pet my dogs. What Jill saw me do is hose out dog kennels and cleaning and filling chicken waterers.

6: I never had more than 75 horses, and what money maker? The horse industry had collapsed and there was only $3000.00 coming in and $8500 going out. Bill wanted to buy Crimson Delight, another sanctuaried horse and he knew it was. Brandon already stated that his goal was to shut me down and take over the ranch. Brandon told people that he would get rid of us and run the ranch properly.

7: The name was Crimson Delight. No one was paying sponsorship for Crimson, Bill would come and take care of her and walk her but he would not donate any money to the ranch. When we finally said there was a $20 dollar fee per month to visit he even balked at paying that. He paid $20 dollars the whole time he was on the ranch. The strokes that they describe made Crimson’s lip limp on one side, this went away and then happened again and went away. Now that Crimson is away from that groups meddling in medicating the horses Crimson, is 100% perfect and has no strokes and is healthier than ever. There was never a stipend, the owner donated the horse and a stall and has not paid a dime since.

8: We have 1 2003 white Escalade truck for business we bought with the money we received after selling Debbie’s deceased fathers Mercedes. This was to drive her mother around because she doesn’t drive.

We have 1 2003 white Escalade SUVs we bought after selling our 36 ft. sailboat which we had owned since 2009 for driving our grand kids around. I can have 7 people.

We Have 1 2003 silver Escalade truck for Craig to use for business for Granite Shield that we make monthly payments on and Blue Pearl Project or donations has never paid for a car payment.

We had a Ford dually F350 we bought in 2007

We had a Chevy Avalanche 2002 I bought in 2002

9: False we owned 15 horses out of 72 and took care of them ourselves unless the volunteers volunteered to do it was not required by us.

10: False the Volunteer Club is the document his wife signed and David was not asked to sign anything other than that document.

11: We only allowed Jill to adopt Autumn. No other horses were going to be adopted out.

12: False I ask if people will board the horse on the ranch and if they refused I let it go. We are business people not scam artists.

13: There was never a comment made about people taking their horses. Holly had written in her own handwriting she would board Nikita on the ranch for $50.00 per month. When she told me she was taking Nikita away I asked her about her contract she wrote and she said too bad, she was leaving and violating her contract.

14: We located our ranch and it happened to be in Wildomar, I went to the city and verified it was zones for what I wanted to do, and was the worst decision ever because the owner already had bad blood with the city we were not aware of. When I tried to pull an electrical permit, my contractor was told to stay away from that property because there were problems already from the previous tenants and owner. I only told David the truth about Serenity and since he has no clue what colic is he didn’t know it was the truth.

Did David tell the DA that after he adopted Autumn he texted me bragging about adding 250 pounds to Autumn. She was already at perfect weight, and then I heard Jill says they added 400 pounds to Autumn, either of these scenarios would make the horse obese. Then I heard she Coliced and died a horrible death and they did an autopsy and found she twisted her gut in two places so they could not save her.

I guess they need to be arrested for animal cruelty!

15: This proves the city did not think we were guilty only this group kept pressuring people because of vendetta this is a conspiracy to defraud the ranch of its right to do business.

16: We removed our gates that we paid over $5000.00 for, and replaced them with new gates. The new gates were stolen weeks after we turned the property back to the owner. We attempted to find them for the owner and were unsuccessful. The owner built new gates to replace them. The gates off Sage have a circle with a Native American that goes with our theme a western town and tipi. The straight gates are the ones we replaced and they were stolen. The gates on Bundy Canyon now have no circle with a Native American.

Debbie responds I have photos of what the ranch looked like before we took possession. There was a chain link gate at the entrance. Craig and I purchased the black wrought iron gate and added the white horse fencing. We never stole any gates. The gates we have are from what we purchased in 2012.

17: It was zoned RR4 not commercial, we were setting up for sober living on the ranch to help drug addicts stay clean after their treatment. No permit was required and we already had permitted the electrical work and it was done. There was no plumbing being done.

Another disgruntled bully who could not buy his Princess what she wanted so he told me I would be sorry for not selling him Sapphire.

 

A: False : my first text with Jill Boyd was 10-18-2016 and I never told her Sapphire was available for sponsorship until she insisted on working with Sapphire at a later date and she was informed it was our personal horse and not available for purchase or adoption. There was never manure so deep you couldn’t see the horses feet, our photos confirm this.

Debbie’s response I have always made it clear Sapphire was never available for adoption. Over the years I was offered thousands of dollars for her. The Oak Meadows Ranch website makes it clear the sponsorships available. A copy of the Release of Liability Form. Horse Adopt Application. A volunteer Online Form that was fill out. Sapphire has never been skinny and has always looked great and has never colicked.

B: As soon as she removed Autumn from the ranch we changed the locks and would not let her back in. March 6, 2017

C: She would come to the ranch in dress and high heels and walk around and feed carrots to the horses.

Debbie responds Jill would have rather bought items and snacks VS what a horse rescue really needs and it is donations to help feed the horses. Jill had no horse experience. Personally it sickens me that she would rather buy this and that and carrots instead of hay and grain to donate.

D: False we only saw her a few days a week for 1 hour or 2

Debbie responds Jill was never there for feeding time so she wouldn’t know how much feed or grain a horse was getting. I personally checked. Morning and night. If I was not on my golf cart I could see the stalls from the RV area and chicken coop area. The horses in the morning usually still had at least a ¼ bucket full of water that would be topped off and at night they had a full bucket of water. The water buckets were dumped and cleaned and refilled often. In the summer water buckets were topped off 3 or more times.

E: She admits to no horse experience.

F: False I might have asked for a donation 1 or twice because she did not sponsor or pay anything for months when she started. We had enough feed and money.

Debbie responds discussing fundraising with Melodee. All horse rescues fundraise and ask for donations especially for hay. Without asking us or telling us Melodee shot out a text that wasn’t worded correctly. We did have hay and funds for hay we were asking for donations to purchase more hay. If you look at other rescues they ask for enough donations to purchase month’s worth of hay. Many of our volunteers were only interested in purchasing unnecessary items. The horses today are healthier than ever because they are not getting the crap that these volunteers purchased. It’s like going to a Vitamin store, not all vitamins are good for you or needed. They wasted money instead of going to the feed store and purchasing hay and grain.

G: I don’t recall her buying a hose, and the hose in question did reach the end of the stalls unless someone pulled it apart at the joint, and all volunteers were there to help water horses. Cody likes men not women so I did not tell her to help Cody.

H: JJ was not in pain.

I: False, the baby was not trained yet so it would have been dangerous at first to let her run the open property, eventually Melodee took Fawn out and Dawn followed her to the arena.

Debbie responds Craig and I would also take Fawn and Dawn out. Fawn would follow her mother. Just the same as Lisa and Shiloh. When we’d take Shiloh out she would follow Lisa.

J: False I say Jill every time she showed up and helped her learn on the ranch. Debbie did not like Jill the minute she met her.

Debbie responds Jill just never fit the ranch. She is more English riding VS Western. She was a real girly, girly and wanted her way and wouldn’t take no for an answer. I did chores in the morning before volunteers came to the ranch and usually once volunteers came I worked the chicken area where most couldn’t see me. I’m on my phone because I can do almost all my business on my IPhone. I receive texts and email 24/7. I even wake up in the middle of the night like 3 AM responding. Jill was rarely on the ranch so she wouldn’t know what I do.

K: False this never happened and the horses always had water.

Debbie responds false. I personally checked the waters a minimum of 2 times a day. We had volunteers every day and they would fill the waters, muck stalls and groom. I have thousands of photos not as Jill describes. She’s a liar and only wants Sapphire. What did happen as I’m cleaning out dog kennels is Jill shouted as loud as she can that I wouldn’t accept $1500 from her for Sapphire. I was offered $3,000 for Sapphire many times and turned it down. Jill would also take any horse out of the stall and take it to the arena. She wanted to do that with my personal horse Shiloh which is under training with Chawn. Shiloh is not the kind of horse you just put a halter on and lead rope and walk her to an area. She knew Shiloh was under training with Chawn and if someone would do something with her would mess up her training. Jill always had her have her own way. I respect Chawn as a trainer and go by her wishes.

L: False this never happened either. On October 20, 2016 Jill texted me saying she did not get to water the horses by the gate and didn’t see the water trough. The water trough was next to the windmill and is 200 gallons and it is on auto-water so it’s never empty. This is the only text about watering besides that hose she talked about.

Debbie responds when I checked on the goats, mini’s and Olivia the pig I always checked to make sure the auto waterer for the pasture horses had water.

M: False, The chicken coop had ducks in cages and were watered daily the main chicken coop never blasts ash out and we used the manure for fertilizer.

Debbie responds at that time Jimmy wanted to take care of the majority of feeding, watering, all the animals. I have 94 pages of texts communication talking back and forth. Jimmy and I talked on the phone often daily. He wanted to care for the feeding, watering and cleaning chicken coops and we discussed every day to make sure he or I did it. Jimmy was on the ranch Valentine’s Day including Craig and I. Chickens do fight and sometimes they do die. The main chicken coop contains a door that they freely go in and out and they have access to water 24/7 the door isn’t closed. They are given fresh water daily, each coop receives a minimum of 3 quarts of Lay Mash and Chicken Scratch. They are misted with the hose. The ducks were ducklings from a volunteer that was purchased from Tractor Supply then when they got larger put in a large dog kennel with a swimming pool. There was a board on top but sometimes the chickens would knock it off. I sold chicken manure that contained diatomaceous earth which is gray and horse manure for gardening in 50 pound bags. We also used it as fertilizer for our California Pepper trees that why they grow so big and green. I also was the one that would trim the trees. The main chicken coop was known as the chicken hospital for injured free range chicks, hens and roosters. Sometimes they would die from their injuries. The chickens in smaller chicken coops were pure bred chickens that I would sell. The coops were 2 story and had plenty of room to flap their wings. If they escaped they panicked to get back into the chicken coop. They all loved their chicken coops they were in .Jill knows nothing about chickens and Jimmy and I either on the phone or text communicated on a daily basis. What she saw was chickens that had molted and diatomaceous earth and chicken manure.

N: False, there is ventilation in the cat log cabin with a fan and only 6 cats.

Debbie responds the cat door was opened daily. There was only 6 cats fed and watered daily. Very fat and healthy. Looking at the unedited video that Animal Control took I showed Officer Middleton how fat and healthy the cats are. They had no diseases. No upper respiratory infection. I was the one that put each cat in a crate. I pointed out the food and that I had 40 pounds of cat litter in my truck. I explained my daughter was missing for 2 weeks, my mom was ill and for the last 2 weeks as I was searching for my missing daughter and carrying for my mom.  I would sit in the chair and feed them dry and canned food with the door open petting them. The $5800 rent to own Log Cabin had ventilation, windows, fan running, radiator heater, Air condition just about to be installed, and an outdoor screened in patio just to be installed. Please refer to Debbie’s documentation.

O: False, the dogs were never on a 2 foot tether; one was on a 20 ft zip line which Officer Tucker from Animal Control told us was the right thing to install about 2 years before the raid. The dogs were in 5 x 10 kennels and larger. There have never been dogs under the trailer in cages!! These are sickening lies. All dogs were out daily. All the big dogs were walked daily and ran free at night. Jill was hardly there at the ranch and Debbie has thousands of photos of the dogs being walked and in their dog kennels that are on concrete pavers, a shade tarp, windscreens on the side, horse buckets for water, Igloo dog houses and misters.

P:  I was repairing the ranch house which was built in 1955 to be a sober living home and we could earn money to feed the horses and give therapy to former drug addicts at the same time.

Q: His name was Barry Blithe and he was a trained equine assisted therapist and he was a white collar criminal for real estate fraud, nothing else. We did earn some money for therapy riding through the air force scholarship for children of military families who have autism. Our main goal was to rehab animals so they could rehab people.

R: Another person thinking they knew more about ranching then Animal Control and I. and when she was wrong she just kept harassing us with false accusations.

S:and T: Aaron was 24 yrs. old and mentally ill, Jimmy was placed on the ranch by South Coast Drug and Rehab in Temecula to manage the Sober living house and was supposed to be clean. He got fired from South Coast and we let him stay to earn his keep feeding and working on the ranch we did not know he was an addict until the raid from Animal Control.

U: I suspected her of making the false calls and now I’m correct. Yes I do not want a felony because we are innocent and it’s sick she thinks otherwise.

V: The tractor was not broken and David didn’t offer to help until he thought he could bribe me to sell him Sapphire.

W: False we were not getting any money other than her sponsorship on Sapphire and she wasn’t ever for sale.

X: False Minco is still with us and happy. I have a letter from Jane stating Jill approached her and told her she should take Minco off the property and Jane said no she was happy with our care.

Y: She was never told she could buy Cody and I thought it was nice of her to pay for a vet exam.

Z: I have no idea if she spent $3000.00 I would say around $300 unless she has receipts. We take care of the animals more than she ever has. She killed Autumn by overfeeding and letting her colic to death.

1: We let her Adopt Autumn and Autumn was in perfect shape, her stall only got muddy when it rained like any stall does. If she had boarded her here Autumn would still be alive.

2: The covers were donated and we thanked her.

3: The Ferrier was scheduled once week to show up or we would call if something special was needed we use Ignacio and the Hannah to trim the horses, the sponsors would pay for their horses and I would pay for the rest.

4: The volunteers were not responsible for medical care and I gave it myself or called a Vet if needed.

5: False we never post pictures of dead horses on facebook and she is just repeating the lies everyone else has repeated.

6: She called Dr. Huth for a Vet check that just means to see if the horse is healthy and Cody passed so she wasted her money to see if he was healthy. I never said she could adopt him. Yes the two black horses belonged to Debbie and me

7: False, David said they put 250 pounds on Autumn and Jill says 400 pounds and that’s what killed her.  She never Coliced with us and always had plenty of water. We had 3 horses whose stalls joined in the corner and all 3 water buckets were in the corner including 2 for Autumn, so if 1 ran out all three could drink from another. I would like to see the autopsy report from the Vet making that statement.

8: It was not Little Joe it was little Charlie and he is a Shetland pony so the blanket did drag on the ground. I do not remember telling her to take it off so I must have done it.

9: I haven’t seen the photos but all of those horses are still with us and in perfect condition except Autumn that Jill killed.

10: False there were 12 horses in the pasture and we did not have any skinny horses out there. We threw 1.5 times of flakes so the horses could go from flake to flake without fighting. So for 12 horsed we threw 18 flakes. Animal control never found a skinny horse on the ranch. I never had this conversation with Jill

11: on January 17 2017 Little Joe ran through the wire fencing after getting into an altercation with another horse. Jill told Debbie not me that Little Joe was getting beat up by other horses. She did not say he was laying down which is not likely in the first place. After he ran through the fence Rose walked him over to our small arena and put him in there. When Debbie got home she inspected little Joe and couldn’t find any injuries and we have photos to prove it.

Somebody called Animal Control that day I think it was Jill just harassing us.

Debbie responds I have photos of Little Joe the very next morning of his whole body and he was in perfect condition.

12: this whole statement is false I do not intimidate anyone and I never threaten anyone with guns what is wrong with these people that lie continuously for their own gain.

Debbie responds Craig never threatens to shoot anyone.

13: Every volunteer I asked to leave was because they wanted to buy or adopt a horse I was not willing to sell. Then they start calling Animal Control and the city and make false accusations. How else should I respond?  Will you sell me your dog just because I want it? It’s the same thing.

14: This was probably when Little Joe got out and of course this was not a job for Animal Control it’s just harassment.

Debbie responds early morning June 2, 2017 I was on the property. It was a usual morning of doing my chores and checking on all the horses and water. I took many photos that morning of the horses and ranch including a video at approximately 8:30 AM. Poppy was standing in position my horse Domino always does. My horse Domino has never had hoof problems. He like to lift his lift his leg stand and switches back and forth. Jimmy fed and was doing watering. I had to get showered and ready to grocery shop for my mother she was ill. My daughter had been missing 2 weeks. My daughter was being threatened by a felon named Darryl Newman Jr. that held her against her will in an abandoned trailer in Perris CA. Darryl Newman Jr. had approximately 20 felony drug counts against him. She was found by Code Enforcement and one of the workers contacted me by email. I have photos of the condition she was forced to live in. She received death threats so I thought maybe he had found her. She receives deaths threats to this day from him that’s why it is so upsetting Therron Hubbell listed our new home address on Facebook. I later received a call from Jimmy Animal Control had been by. I was told Craig told to the Officer and everything was fine. Tuesday June 6, 2017 Craig and I had an early business meeting. Jimmy said he would take care of the feeding and watering of all the animals. Craig and I left and we were about 30 minutes away when we received a call we needed to be back at the ranch. Jimmy and Aaron were on the property doing their chores such as feeding and watering. Again a witch hunt to steal our horses. The horses and animals were fed daily. Craig and Debbie have spent thousands of dollars since 2012 caring for unwanted, neglected horses, starving horses. There are so many in Riverside County that the DA really needs to focus on what is going on throughout Riverside County VS animals that have had hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on them in this case from Craig and Debbie. I personally believe David and Jill Boyd are related to Tammi Boyd the President of the Nonprofit Animal Friends of the Valleys. We have always been in good standing with Animals Friends of the Valleys. I personally wouldn’t be surprised if there is a financial gain of seizing horses and they may be giving them to Forgotten Horses Rescue. I have complete documentation starting from early 2014 our Canyon Lake was stolen from an investor house flipper that we wrote everyone to save the house including the Riverside County District Attorney. I have the video of the auctioning off the house. This was early 2016 the home we owned and lived in since 2005. I have an email from the Investor / Home Flipper he was going to give us back the home and give us a new home loan President of PBR Assets David Wehrly. We spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to save our home. Please refer to the documentation.

Regarding Timothy Hieter:

A: True

B: I knew he had animal experience.

C: true

D: There were 12 horses in the pasture and Tim was in love with horse named George. George was donated to the ranch and the owner had paid $8000.00 for George. He was in perfect shape and we used him for trail rides on the ranch to earn money for the nonprofit. Tim asked to buy him and I refused because he was used for trail rides. Tim would clean the manure in the pasture which wasn’t necessary because we would take the quad with a blade and push it out whenever needed.

Debbie responds that George was donated to the ranch October 4, 2016. The owners only had him for 1 month and paid $8,000 for him. He didn’t work out for their daughter. They decided to donate George to the ranch so visitors could enjoy him. They did not want him sold or rehomed because if that was the intentions they could do that themselves. We never asked him to exercise the mules since they were near 40 yrs. old and should not be exercised. We picked up the mules and there was no money donated to the ranch, but they did donate an old tractor and antique washing machine. The mules were in good condition until Melodee and Lisette ran them in the arena.

Debbie responds the mules were in a 24 x 48 stall with a shade cover. They had plenty of room to walk. They were too old to be ran. It’s like expecting a 90 year old to run a marathon when they are not in condition to do so. Yes some 90 year olds can but most can’t. Melodee and Lisette never asked permission to do so. With the case with the mules Poppy and Myrtle they were able to walk, get to their feed and water but there was no reason to take them out of their stall.

E: There were only 75 horses at the most, we asked for donations and did not manipulate anyone. He stated the women were on fixed incomes then how did they pay $3000 or more for their personal whims at the feed store. And that wasn’t just feed. It was tack and unnecessary extras the horses didn’t need. We never missed one feeding for the horses and animal control confirmed over and over they were in good condition.

Debbie responds that the Holly and Melodee purchased many unnecessary items. Did not want to donate for funds to go towards hay or do a fundraiser including try and get visitors or volunteers to purchase Oak Meadows Ranch T Shirts and Sweat Shirts to raise funds to go towards the most important which is hay to feed the horses. Only until the very end did they try a fundraiser. The horses were always fed exactly the amount that they need, on a horse by horse bases. Compensating for size, age and dispositions of each horse individually and it is reassessed on a daily basis. See documentation from Paige Heatherly text communication from March 17, 2016. See Executive Director of Animal Friends of the Valleys Willa Bagwell email from March 12, 2014. Every horse is fed twice a day. Some 3 times a day. They have never missed a meal. There was never a lack of grain or feed for any animal on the ranch. If all was used it was purchased immediately.

F: We had a list of horses that were up for adoption so that’s false, we didn’t adopt out just any horse. Regarding finding a home for 2 horses I remember he told me he had room for 2 horses at his house in Canyon Lake that’s when he tried to adopt George. We did adopt out over 20 horses after we rehabbed their issues. Tim never told me to put horses up for adoption. We were always trying to adopt out the horses we felt were ready.

Debbie responds Oak Meadows Ranch has had a Horse Rehoming Program since approximately 11/2013. Kara Stotesbury Johnson was the one at that time rehabbing them and training them plus communicating with those that did contact the ranch either from our website or our ads on Craigslist. Debbie has the text communication.

G: Tim was on the ranch only 12 hours a week so he couldn’t know when she was on the ranch.

The Pine tree was a Christmas tree located at the end of the horses stall not in the path of any horse. It was planted as a Christmas tree and was in the shape of a Christmas tree when Tim cut it way up and made it round so we could not decorate it which we had done for 2 years. Yes Debbie was angry at him for trimming it without our permission or knowledge. Would it be ok if I went to his house and trimmed his trees?

Debbie responses the Christmas tree was planted November 28, 2012. It has served as the ranch’s Christmas tree every year. November 6, 2016 Tim took it upon himself to trim the Christmas tree too much off the ground and into a shape of a ball. We also had very little shade from trees and had very few trees; Tim trimmed approximately 5 California Pepper trees so they ended up giving little shade. Where these trees were located many visitors and volunteers would sit under it for shade. Yes Debbie was very upset. One of the chores that Debbie does is goes around the ranch and trims all the trees. Photos are provided. Most would not know what Debbie does because she started the day before any were on the ranch or they could not see the location. Some of the dogs liked to sleep at night in the RV if they were not patrolling the grounds. Debbie would take them out of the RV and walk them throughout the whole ranch. Debbie would hose out the dog kennels and give them fresh water. Debbie would take the golf cart and drive by each horse and other animals checking on the conditions and status of water and then report to Craig. Debbie would give 3 quarts of Lay Mash and Chicken scratch to chickens in each chicken coop and water. Everyday each animal got fresh water. Debbie did work with the horses. Please see video provided and what she wore on the ranch. When Debbie would pass by a volunteer or visitor she would wave, say hi and say thank you. Debbie always thanked the volunteers and said she appreciated what they do. Debbie’s day would many times end around 11 PM and would check on the ranch any hour of the day. Debbie has mucked stalls, cleaned horse water buckets, groomed horses, rode horses, assisted DVM Charles Edgerly such as holding horses for shots and surgery, held horses for Farriers to trim horses hooves, created marketing for the ranch, designed T Shirts, Sweatshirts, baseball caps, designed and worked on the Facebook page and website and the majority of the photography and built the ranch. Designed and help build chicken coop, tack shed, arena, planted trees, trench drainage before, during and after rains.

H: The horse Melodee took care of was Dallas, not Daniel.

I: I believe he is talking about Jill Boyd who kept trying to buy Sapphire. Sapphire was our personal horse and Jill knew this from the first day and was told she was not for sale, or adoption.

Horses form social bonds and love their partners. If you break up the social interaction horses stress out and become difficult. We took pride on how well our horses interacted with each other. Since he had no experience in running a horse ranch he did not understand this.

Debbie responds Debbie found Sapphire at Mike’s Livestock Auction approximately October 2012. No funds from Blue Pearl Project and no donation money was not used to purchase Sapphire. Sapphire was Craig and Debbie’s personal horse and have always said Sapphire is not available to purchase. Many have asked and offered as much as $3,000 for her.

J: At that time we owned 15 horses that we bought with our own money so we could have riding horses on the ranch since there weren’t enough qualified rescue horses to provide trail rides on the ranch. All the rest were rescue or sanctuary horses.

Debbie responds whether it was a rescue or a privately owned horse by Craig and Debbie they shared the horses. The best riding horses Craig and Debbie had were paid anywhere from $240 at auction for Sapphire to $2,300 for Blondie. The most ridden horses on trail by visitors and volunteers were Bo and Domino. Craig and Debbie paid $1,200 for Bo and for Domino $1,800. Debbie has no knowledge of a list of personal horses, sanctuary or for rehoming. Melodee and Holly would do whatever they wanted without permission plus not telling Craig or Debbie many things or take weeks to inform them. They began to believe it was their rescue and do whatever they wanted. Craig and Debbie placed horses near each other that got a long and what their needs were. The east side of the ranch was not just for senior horses or for those that needed a certain kind of care. Many young horses were on the east side. Melodee and Holly were not the only one’s caring for them. Debbie knows of no rescue that is not able to ask the public for donations and expect the Board of Directors to pay for all. All other rescues ask for donations and receive donations even if that rescue goes to Mike’s Livestock Auction going on their Facebook asking for donations. Receiving thousands in donations for that one horse keep in mind they rescue that night about 20 and receive through PayPal. Their plans when getting that horse to shoot it in the head 3 days later. If Oak Meadows Ranch asks for donations they say Oak Meadows Ranch can’t afford to feed the horses. All were told who was a sanctuary horse or personal horse but they always bonded and they all seem to bond with Craig and Debbie’s personal horses or sanctuaried horses then retaliate if they can’t get them. It’s been going on since 3/2014 and Debbie has the documentation.

K: Fawn was a painted horse we rescued for Animal Friends of the Valleys Animal Control. Willa Bagwell Executive Director of Animal Friends of the Valleys instructed Officer Middleton to contact Craig and Debbie of Oak Meadows Ranch by email on July 8, 2016. They requested us to meet them at a ranch where they were seizing the animals. We rescued Fawn and Majestic on that day Majestic was a 1400lb draft with hooves over 6” overgrown.

Fawn was 300 lbs. underweight and Animal Control had her checked by their Vet Dr. Cobb he said she was in fair condition considering her lack of weight he did not know she was pregnant. We picked Fawn and Majestic on July 8, 2016 and Fawn gave birth August 3, 2016. The baby was named Dawn. They were not our personal horses despite what Tim was told.  I believe Tim volunteered to pay for George, his favorite horse, to have the Farrier trim his hooves, which many of our volunteers did. He mentions Bill who sponsored our retired race horse named Crimson Delight.  Crimson was sanctuaried by his owner, and Bill wanted to adopt her but we could not do it by contract. He wasn’t that old either.  All of these horses were in the section that Melodee and Holly were managing so they were manipulating Tim to help them. Tim quit coming out when he hurt his back at work and was no longer able to help out. My last communication was Feb 15 2017. I have texts to confirm.

Debbie responds we always had the Farrier out and the majority of the horses were paid from funds from Craig and Debbie. When Animal Control came out each time they were satisfied with all of the conditions of the ranch including how clean the stalls were, water, weight of the horses and hooves. At no time has Debbie ever seen what is what is described as inches high manure. Debbie has seen muddy stall conditions from the rain or if a waterline broke or a volunteer forgot to turn off the water. Debbie has taken thousands of photos of the stalls and were in very good condition. We had several volunteers per week muck stalls and if needed Craig and Debbie mucked stalls. Kathy Smith was part of a paid Senior Citizen Organization and helped fee, water, clean horse buckets, muck throughout the ranch including the east side almost on a daily basis. Kathy would also bring a friend many times to help.

L: There was always enough feed on the ranch and every inspection by Animal Control proves this.

Debbie responds there was a bulletin board in the feed room and stated how many flakes to give a horse or what grain. The horses or any animal has not missed a feeding or the amount and the type of food they were to get.

M: Serenity did not die in David Boyd’s arms! I was in communication with the Vet and since Serenity was up and walking and pooping we thought she would pull through. The Vet said to see what happens and then call him. I gave Serenity a shot of Banamine.  We have photos of the horse sitting quietly not half dead.

Debbie responds Debbie was the one to originally find her, keep her calm until help arrived which was Craig and James Keisner and Debbie was the last person to see Serenity walk around in her stall, sit down comfortably and eat her grain. It was night time and there was no visitors or volunteers on the property when Debbie was with Serenity.

N: he wasn’t there when serenity passed Debbie was so he doesn’t know and he did not want to donate for the horse to be picked up.

O: I only gave her 2 shots all day.

P: true

Q: We had Straw in the chicken coop which had chicken poop on the straw bales was used as barrier to keep the chickens safe from predators. The hay was on the right side of the barn with very little chicken poop on it.

Debbie responds 11 hens and 1 rooster was on the property before Craig and Debbie started the ranch. They were free range at the time and slept in the California Pepper trees and the garage (the barn.) Under the rafters was bales of straw, the hay was on the side not below the rafters the chickens slept.

R: The Chickens were watered twice a day and they were fed as needed, we cleaned out the coop to get manure to sell and then the coops were even hosed out.

Debbie responds Craig and Debbie built the chicken coop. There was a doorway from the main chicken coop that lead to a screened patio area. Chickens would go inside and out. They had access to the water at all times because the door wasn’t closed. The chickens weren’t mixed of breds. They were in what was called the chicken hospital. Either from baby chicks that lost their mother hen to coyotes and were put in the main chicken coop (chicken hospital) injuries, some of the free range would fight and peck all the way to the spine so they were put in the chicken hospital and usually saved and baby chicks that would go into the horses water bucket and almost drowned. The little coops inside the chickens loved to sit on the roofs and the one’s inside the little coops were small purebred Silkie Chickens. They were fed and watered daily. Misted if it was hot to cool them down. Chicken manure had diatomaceous earth and was sold by the 50 pound bag for those gardeners and was also used on the ranch for the California Pepper trees that’s why they were so big, green and beautiful. The chicken coops would be scraped, broomed and hosed out.

S: The horses in the pasture were there because they were good riding horses, so keeping them together helped them get along during trail rides. They were 12 horses in the pasture and all feeders were told to put 1.5 times the number of flakes so the horses chased off one flake hade 6 more to go too. This allowed all horses to get the right amount of feed.

Debbie responds the pasture horses since the beginning of the ranch the horses always got at least 1.5 number of flakes or more and were in a feeder and spread out so horses when eating were not close together. Debbie has many photos over the years showing that.

T: Tim confirmed dogs were in good condition in kennels with plenty of food and water.

Debbie responds the security dog kennels were on concrete pavers. Rocks that Debbie collected throughout the ranch to line next to the concrete pavers so the pavers would stay in place. Each kennel had a thick tarp on top and windscreen on the side, a horse bucket for water and an Igloo dog house. The kennels also had misters. Each kennel was washed 1 to 3 times per day. The rocks got a good cleaning about once a week. Each dog went outside daily. The big security dogs were released when all visitors and volunteers left and walked daily for personal attention.

U: There was no code violation of cats, Officer Middleton informed us she did not have an issue with the number of dogs on the property because we were on 20 acres and ran a working ranch. There was never 1 citation of code violation given to us. I am a senior citizen and only 3 or 4 of them were older than me. we had young volunteers on the ranch who assisted the senior citizen’s and worked alongside them and I was at their beckon call whenever they needed me, I was only gone 1 or 2 days a week for my business. The only reason any of them went to the city to file false reports was to steal our horses we refused to sell them. Including George who Tim wanted.

Debbie responded that Animal Control until the “raid” had no problem with any of the animals including chickens, cats, dogs etc. Animal Control always went by the dogs and knew they were security dogs and said since we were a ranch just make sure 4 dogs are licensed. The property was zoned for 4 houses. They saw the cats, they saw the cats roam freely around the ranch. The volunteers are only on the ranch occasionally. They do not see what Craig and Debbie do when they are not there or early morning and late evening. The volunteers would not know Debbie would sweep up the Log Cabin, open the door, sit with the cats and feed and pet them. The Log Cabin is a $5,800 rent to own cabin. With roof ventilation, fan, windows, doggie door, which had a Litter Maid self-cleaning litterbox until it stopped working. That week of the raid an outdoor screened in area that was researched January 7, 2017 photo provided and air conditioning was planned to be installed that week air conditioner was on the ranch at that time of “the raid” ready to be installed. There was 40 pounds of litter inside Debbie’s truck to clean the litter box and approximately 20 pounds of cat dry cat food and several cans of cat food. There were only 6 healthy, fat cats that were fed daily. The litterbox Litter-Robot was just in the process to be ordered.

V: Yes Donna was a great asset and worked very hard helping us water and take care of animals. When we kept getting fake call to animal control, our paranoia started making us shut down the ranch to all volunteers because we did not known who was calling in these calls and it turns out it was this group. Donna just quit due to the harassment of others. Or she was being blamed for the calls to animal control by others but we could never get animal control to verify who was calling because they refused to give the information to our attorney when the asked for it through the Freedom of Information Act.

W: How does Hieter know how to rescue horses? Did he ever run a rescue?

X: yes we did re-home horses, and yes if we re-homed 20 horses the cost would go down however only certain horses were good enough to re-home and these people did not want those, they only wanted the horses that helped us earn money and pay the bills. We were never disheveled we took showers everyday and wore clean clothes every day. Yes we worked very hard on the property trying to make it the knots berry farm of Wildomar but these haters stopped us.

Debbie responds video provided Debbie had many camouflage shirts and pants. Showered daily and put on makeup.

Y: that’s a stupid statement. The horses were always for rehab and adoption, and the ranch was about letting people who could not afford a ranch be able to have the experience, as well as reunite so many people that use to own horses and could not afford them.

Debbie responds that the rescue was started to rescue unwanted, neglected horses and share them with those that want to be with horses. The goal was to have a sponsor for each horse. The plan was to be a sanctuary and certain horses that didn’t fit in with our program rehab and rehome. We have since the end of 2013 had a program. Unfortunately as a rescue most are lame, old and in many cases many had their horse for years and cried and begged us not to rehome. They feared their horse would go to slaughter. Most had plans to visit the horse we took in. We keep our promise.

Why is Walsh putting words into the mouths of liars?

Regarding Melodee Latta:

A: NA

B: Melodee said she knew Dr. Charles Edgerly as Doc.

C: Melodee Suspects David and Jill Boyd assembled book for Evidence.

D: Melodee spoke about Lisette DeLeon a college student who was studying to be a Veteranarian which Melodee had vouched for and paid her training fee for and Melodee was supposed to train her. After I had banned Holly and Melodee for violating their contract I allowed Lisette to still visit the property in July after the raid Lisette asked if she could adopt our horse named Morgan. I agreed and as soon as the contract was signed she also took Morgan off the property and refused to inform us where he went in violation of her contract, we then found she had given the horse to Holly in violation of the contract and it died in their care like the other horses we adopted to that group. Poppy who was a 40 year old Mule did not have hip issues until Holly, Melodee, and Lisette took them out of their stall and ran them in the arena next to their stalls. Their stall was 24’ deep and 48’wide and being 40 years old should not have been taken out and ran in the arena. They did not have permission to do so. During this run, Myrtle fell and broke her back and we had to call out the Vet to put her down and Melodee offered to pay his fee which I felt she was responsible for causing the accident and should pay for it. When I was told Poppy would not put weight on her leg ,which was the same day they injured Myrtle I instructed the volunteers to add Bute to Poppy’s feed, there are many reasons a horse will not put weight on the leg, which are an absys in the foot, a sprained ankle or dislocation of the hip. We had another mule which did fine with a dislocated hip so as long as the mule wasn’t suffering so I saw no reason the put it down. After a month of treatment it became obvious the problem was in the hip and I was telling everyone it was time to put poppy down due to the injury suffered by them running her. When we were illegally raided Officer Middleton asked me about Poppy. I told her I was about to put her down because of her hip (check Animal Control video tape and you will see this is true) and since it was now an issue I would have the vet come out and do it. I called Dr. Wetzel and he came out and said he should put Poppy down. Lisette lied to Dr. Wetzel telling him Poppy had been injured for 6 months when in fact it had been about 3 weeks that she couldn’t walk on it and she was being treated the whole time. Bute is an anti-inflammatory and Pain Killer which would have helped her heals if possible. In the Arrest Warrant Officer Middleton claims she seized Poppy and he had the Vet put her down which is a lie. Debbie responds she has text communication that insists that the volunteers not only tell Craig that they also tell Debbie. At the end of 2016 it was getting to the point a certain group of volunteers would withhold information to Craig or Debbie. Important things they would even wait 2 weeks. Debbie had no knowledge of any issues with Myrtle of Poppy until the day Myrtle had to be euthanized. Every morning and evening Debbie would drive in her golf cart visiting and checking on water Myrtle and Poppy seemed fine. They were very old mules. They were in a large stall and cover. Their stalls were 24 x 48. I watched those feeding horses and always saw they got their grain. I was shocked the morning Myrtle went down. Lisette and Melodee never had permission to take them out of their stalls. They were simply too old and didn’t need to be ran. Just loved on. They had enough room in their stall to walk at their own pace just like a 90 year old human, most can’t do a marathon. The day Myrtle went down I did blame Lisette and blame her to this day for Myrtle’s death. No one told me anything was wrong with Poppy. On June 2, 2016 approximately 8:30 AM I took about a 1 minute video of Poppy I do this with many of the animals. She stood in her stall like many horses do. It was obvious she could walk she had left over hay and was standing on the other of the stall. The day of the raid I was shocked by what Officer Middleton had said because not one volunteer told me something was wrong with her. When I would visit her she acted fine. My horse Domino always stands with his leg lifted off the ground and I see many horses do the same. Domino loves doing it.

E: Debbie Ran our Business Granite Shield from her IPhone and works from sometimes from 3 AM mostly 5 AM doing business with clients back east. Then she would drive around the 21 acre ranch on the golf cart and inspected all the stalls and horses including waters. And she was quite busy doing emails and phone calls during those hours. Whenever a volunteer was on the ranch Debbie would wave but since it was still early in the mornings she had not showered or put on her makeup yet and did not want to socialize until she had gotten ready. After she completed the inspection of the ranch she then did her chores which consisted of feeding and watering chickens, walking dogs and cleaning their kennels, feeding goats, pigs, etc. The area that Melodee and Holly worked on was on the opposite side of the ranch and they could not know if we were there working or not. Debbie met with Melodee many times and has months of text communication with Melodee and Holly. Melodee offered to be the volunteer trainer and was responsible for contacting the new volunteers and training them; she even put a flyer on the front gate telling people interested in volunteering to call her directly. She discussed all of this with Debbie. Debbie has a text from Melodee that she was still on the property until March 20 2017 not Feb as she stated.

F: The area she worked in had a mixture of young and old, and some were in there late 20s up to 40 yrs. old which is near the end of the their lives and we had injured animals which were under a vets care and being treated for their conditions. There were 2 cats in the trailer for rodent control and Paige, Therron, Debbie or I would clean their litter box and feed and water them, they were very fat cats. Debbie responds we never asked Melodee or Holly’s area that they worked on to do so or spend money on items that they did. They spent money on unnecessary items and if they wanted to spend that kind of money it should have went towards hay. We don’t care if they gave us the cash to buy the hay even on out Oak Meadows Ranch website suggested which feed store do go to and buy hay. Afterwards we said we could give them a donation receipt. They choose that area, they choose the horses and mules that they wanted to work it. They really weren’t there very often only about twice a week maybe 4 hours each time. On a daily basis the horses and mules were fed twice daily and watered a minimum of 2 times daily. Volunteers would still scrub the water buckets and water them even if Melodee and Holly weren’t there. I checked on them a minimum of twice daily. From March 2016 to June 2016 I have daily texts communication with Jimmy about feeding and watering all the animals. He at that time wanted to be the primary feeder and waterer. I would communicate to make sure it was done or Craig and I would do it. I have approximately 94 pages of text commination between me and Jimmy that discusses all animals. Jimmy wanted to be the one to clean pig kennels, clean chicken kennels, duck kennels. May 2016 I pages of text communication why I personally got behind on some of my chores and it is because my daughter went missing and my mother became ill. My daughter in May 2016 was being threatened and death threats by a felon that held her again her will in Perris CA. I have all of the documentation, she was found in an abandoned trailer by Code Enforcement. I have the photos of where she was held against her will of the living conditions. Since she went missing I thought he may be holding her against her will again.

G: When Dallas got his autoimmune disease there was an outbreak in the horse industry and the Del Mar racetrack lost about 10 horses to this disease which the cause was never determined. Dallas got it but no other horses and there was no known cure. Doc and I started Dallas on antibiotics and antihistamine and saw some relief until Dallas refused to let either of us get near him. Especially since one of the skin sores was on his neck where his halter touched him. Melodee asked if she could have her Vet which is Dr. Huth come out to look at him and I agreed immediately. His treatment did not work either so Melodee started putting all kinds of topical treatment which helped for a while. I told Melodee we should put Dallas down because he wasn’t getting better, then Holly offered to adopt Dallas and gave him to Melodee. They moved both horsed off the ranch in direct violation of Holly’s contract to sponsor them there. Dallas died about 3 months later we were told along with Nikita.

H: Holly was given a cover after paying for one and she did not buy a new one but one I already had on the ranch, we did not have any men to help install her covers until she hired someone to do it for them.

I: I agreed to let her Vet come when she asked why I would turn away free vet help.

J: Melodee had good horse skills but had a leg injury which prevented her from doing much more than just feeding and watering the horses in her area. Dallas had vet care up until she brought in her own vet.

K: She was told Doc and I took care of Dallas until he refused our treatment they brought in Dr. Huth right after. They knew Animal Control was looking at us because we were always getting false calls to Animal Control. Animal Control had been out January 2017 and did a full inspection of the whole ranch and there were no warnings or citations given we were told we had a clean bill of health. Provided are texts between myself and Melodee regarding Doc who was giving Dallas a shot so she has lied about that as well. Horses did not die badly. Sometimes they colic and thrash then twist a gut or get stuck in a pipestall. We work extra hard to save all animals. We give them a banamine shot for pain, or Bute, we only put them down when they are suffering.

L: Review the texts about Doc working on Dallas and she never asked me to do anything for Dallas that wasn’t done, and she made that horse suffer by trying to cure an incurable disease and should have put him down as I told her.

M: Poppy was fine until Melodee ran her in an arena and we immediately put her on Bute and my other volunteers including Kathy Smith, Micah Brill, and Chawn Kenavan who were always present on the ranch and fed and helped all the horses not just a few will testify to that. If Poppy had been injured since the day we got her (which she was not) then why did Melodee run a lame horse in the arena? That’s a novice mistake which she and Lisette caused the injury.

N: I agree Melodee and Lisette caused Myrtle to break her back and injured Poppy.

O: I moved Poppy to a smaller stall so she would not have to walk so much because of her leg, to make it easier for her to get food and water. Mules and horses are not required to have covers and you will usually find then sunbathing in 100 plus degrees or standing outside of the cover when it’s raining. I never received any money in donation for Poppy until we informed the owner’s daughter of her passing and she donated $100.00 to the ranch on Poppy’s behalf that was all the money given to us for Poppy or Myrtle.

P: Matt did not ask me how long Poppy had been like that, he asked Lisette that question when I was not there and she responded “several months.” From the time they injured Poppy until a few weeks prior to being put down Poppy was able to walk, It was the last 3 weeks that Poppy would not put any weight on the leg and since treatments weren’t working I told people I was going to put her down.

Q: Lisette DeLeon, is the college student

R: Melodee asked once about Poppy and I instructed her to give Bute, then I informed all the volunteers who fed to add Bute to their wet bucket of feed.

S: The mules were given both Alfalfa and Bermuda 2 flakes of each 4 total flakes along with two wet buckets of grain and we added MSM for joint health and Bute for Pain, Melodee was only on the ranch 2 days a week until noon so she did not see the feeding or the schedule that I gave to the volunteers or when Debbie and I fed the horses. Yes I fed a lot and Debbie also.

T: Kathy Smith was the female who was on a federal training program for seniors. She had a horse she boarded with us and so when she wasn’t on the clock she stayed and watered, fed, mucked stalls and was learning ranch management. Debbie and I were on the ranch every day. Aaron was feeding every day and night accept sat and Sunday when Micah Brill and her daughter Ellie would feed the horses also she came out at least twice a week during the week to help out. Chawn was on the ranch almost every other day. Barbara Barnaba was also feeding every day and training horses and doing therapy for kids and seniors.

U: Yes I have many texts from Melodee asking me if I could give Dallas his feed because she had him on orchard instead of alfalfa, and she would let me know who would be coming out to take care of him when she wasn’t There. Poppy was cared for every day by multiple volunteers and did receive Bute on a daily basis. Fly wraps are sometimes removed the horse and when there were flies bothering them we had fly spray applied to help out.

V: I was growing tired of the volunteers coming out to play with the horses and not providing any funds to feed all the horses, other rescues send out request for hay, and all their volunteers raise money. Our group led by Melodee and Holly refused to give money and discouraged volunteers to donate. The Blue Pearl Project non Profit was only bringing in about $3000.00 in donations and Debbie and I were tired of donating all the money to allow them on the ranch to play. So I put the pressure on Melodee to see if she could deliver.

Debbie responds since very little donations were coming in and many tried to talk donors into not donating and the insurance alone was running close to $800.00 Craig and I were at the point we would rather stop the programs, no more visitors or volunteers and hire someone to feed, water, clean horse buckets and stalls. It just got to the point the majority of the volunteers wanted to do anything they wanted to do, take out any horse out of its stall even if for health reasons not to or because it was too much of a horse for them they did what they wanted. Per our insurance we had to do what our insurance company told us. It’s all about safety. Melodee had started a GoFundMe which was not affiliated with Blue Pearl Project. It was in her own name and she controlled the funds without our knowledge and I believe she said only twice there was money from the go fund me and she bought hay from Round Up feed with it. After she left we know that the GoFundMe is still active but we have not seen any more money from it. Isn’t that a diversion of funds or asking for money fraudulently?

I: Asked via text is there a volunteer meeting tomorrow I didn’t know about, or did I schedule it? She replied Sorry it’s just a meet and greet to get everyone on the same page and to run ideas by each other before bringing it to you. Didn’t want to waste your time and I needed to do it off site so there are no distractions. I had planned on discussing with you next week when I had more information. I replied make sure you take a round basket with you and if it turns into a bitch fest you show them the basket and say file it in here for future reference. She replied Oh! I LOVE IT!!!! With a heart face Imogen and said Will do!! So that’s what a ruckus looks like and didn’t ask to go to the meeting.

W: We always cared for Dallas and she kept me informed as all my texts will testify too.

I was always telling Holly to take better care of Nikita, because she was always feeding her rich grain, sugar cubes and other treats so she was obese, the Farrier Ignacio also told her Nikita was overweight and would develop laminitis which is the degeneration of the hoof and the horses bone will go straight through it. She became indignant with me, and hired her own Farrier who would not argue with her. Or tell her the truth. Nikita did develop laminitis and she died.

X: Every horse and mule was not received with money.

The horse named Gunner II was in Big Bear and the owner did pay us around 500.00 to pick up and feed. Not $1500.00 the dad also made us a drag for the arena. If Melodee was trying to dissuade her from donating the horse she was already conspiring to hurt the ranch. We had my personal horse also named Gunner I a Palomino that I bought for $1200.00 for my personal riding since the rescues were not ride-able, and I sold him for $1500.00.

Y: Villa Chardonnay is only a sanctuary and does not adopt out horses, they have a lot of money and are good at fundraising which our volunteers were not. So we accepted donations to rescue the horse. The rescue known as Forgotten Horses Rescue and HiCaliber Rescue ask for donations up front to buy their rescues from Mikes Livestock Auction in Mira Loma. They receive thousands per horse through PayPal during the auctions. Then they either rehome them or kill them or some rumors are they are sold back at the auction or sent to slaughter. We have never sold a horse at the auction or sent them to slaughter we only rehome or sanctuary the horses.

Z: We have never received a thousand horses and we did not receive money for Thoroughbreds, and the most we ever asked of a donor was gas money and 2 months feed or tack or feed and if they were unable to pay anything we still picked up the animals. Just like what happened with Phil Knoke, they promised $60 dollars for gas money only and failed to pay that until 2 months later. We still took the horses. Then we had to pay a Farrier to trim both of them, they were so long in the hoof.

1: JJ had acute laminitis which causes the leg to swell; Vets from UC Davis inspected JJ for his owner Elizabeth Wiley who donated him to us. Elizabeth said the Vets determined there was no cure for the condition. The Lymph drained out of the bottom of his leg at the ankle relieving the pressure and the leg would get smaller than the wound would plug up and the leg would get large and then the process would begin again. The growth at the ankle is called proud flesh which grows from the lymph. Doc and I removed it a couple of times but it started to bleed so we just treated the wound with swat which is a fly repellent ointment and with Vetricin which is an antibacterial spray which heals wounds. All the volunteers would help with JJ we have text about Paige, working on him and Kathy would water his leg down to reduce swelling. It was a ranch effort and Melodee only saw 2 days a week what was going on.

2: How could she tell JJ was in pain is she a Vet? He was comfortable and when he wasn’t suffering he could walk, lie down and get back up again, we had to start him on wet grain because losing the lymph was draining protein from him so we supplemented him. JJ was inspected by Animal Controls first Vet Register Vet Technician Laurie Proctor they sent out and she was aware of that condition and agreed there was nothing that could be done about it and also agreed he wasn’t suffering.: Melodee has repeated the same lie as Holly I have a text from October 31 2016 at 3 PM which Melodee is only speaking about a horse named Dixie who was Colicing there was no mention of JJ in her text so I don’t believe she was on the ranch until the afternoon and could not have found JJ in the pipe stall or lots of blood because Debbie and I had removed him from the stall rail and he passed away in our arms, and there was no blood at that time except a little blood from his mouth and his wound on his leg. Debbie had texted Holly that information and she and I found him and Holly claimed it was her and now Melodee continue the lie JJ was one of the 13 horses rescued for Spirit rescue Elizabeth Wiley and we only received $800.00 to feed 13 horses, which costs $1300.00 per month to feed and that doesn’t include grain, Farrier.

3: Serenity was found in the morning by Debbie when she doing her rounds, she was caught under the pipe stall near her 2 water buckets which had spilled over from her thrashing and covered her in mud.

Debbie kept her calm and called me to assist removing her and I called Jim Kiesner who was on the ranch to help me unbolt the rails and got serenity up on her feet. She was dazed and we had no idea how long she might have been caught since we lived on the west side of the ranch. After giving her plenty of water and a shot of Banamine, she stabilized and a volunteer asked if she could wash her and I agreed. This was a Saturday morning when we had lots of people doing a Gymkhana down at the arena, When the volunteers walked she would lie down then get back up which is normal for a Colicing horse. The treatment is banamine lots of water and walking. After her bath volunteers brushed her and she looked fine then taken to the round pen. I have already told you what David Boyd did when I allowed him to walk serenity. I called the Vet and was speaking to him around 6 PM (Dr. Huth) and we agreed since she was up and walking and eating she should be ok. Debbie was with her until 9:17 PM she walked around and then she was sitting up comfortably and eating showing no pain and this is common when a horse is exhausted trying to get out of the rails. The next morning she had passed and there was no sign of thrashing. She had moved from her previous location which means she got up again and was walking. All signs that she would be ok. You can ask any Vet the even when they treat and believe the horse will recover they can still pass away. Debbie found her at 8:08 AM while making her rounds.

4: No one paid to see JJ we did ask for donation for people to come and enjoy the ranch. The Gymkhana was never roping but just Barrel Racing, and it was held by a volunteer Carole Pinkerton who put on the Gymkhana she would collect entry fees and we bought ribbons to give to the winners. And Carole would donate the leftover funds after she paid for her supplies and this usually broke even since the ribbons were so costly.

5: We have always had people liability form and we had a sign in sheet on the General Store but nobody would use it. Barbara Barnaba kept records of volunteers in a 3 ring binder. I would change the lock code when I asked unwanted volunteers to leave, for example we had a guy harassing to young women on the ranch and I told him he wasn’t welcomed anymore, This ranch was for families and friends to enjoy animals they could not keep themselves. And we were adamant about protecting that environment. We had been harassed since 2013 by false accusations from disgruntled volunteers and when Jill Boyd came on the ranch it got worse so whenever we suspected a volunteer of calling Animal Control and they always came out and the never found a violation it was always a false accusation and we were trying to weed out the culprits. They managed to eliminate any donation coming into the ranch other than our sponsor which is why I insisted Melodee fundraise.

6: Debbie and I make the decisions about picking up and rehoming horses. Vets were allowed at any time and there were many times I had no idea they were coming or going and Animal Control was allowed with and open door policy and they had to call me to get in because the gate was over 1000 feet away from the living area and we could not see it. There was another Vet name Dr. Cobb who came it to the property to treat colic Molly, and he injected 1 gallon of water and 1 gallon of mineral oil into molly and she died. My Vet Doc says the recommended dosage for horses is 1 qt. of water and 1 qt. of mineral oil. I did not want Dr. Cobb on the property after that we had the best Vet ever with Doc.

7: The chickens were in a large coop and some were being treated for injuries and we called it the chicken hospital there was a door leading to a large screen enclosed Avery which had a self-watering bucket for the chickens to get water and on a daily bases Debbie would go inside to feed and water additional bucket. And volunteers like Jimmy took care of chickens for 4 months and we have 94 text pages talking to Jimmy about caring for the chickens, goats, pigs. During the week Jimmy preferred to feed all of the animals. The standalone chicken coops were for fancy chickens that were 2 stories high with screened patios.

8: The ranch house only had 1 bedroom and there were only 6 cats in the bedroom. Debbie never asked Brandon or Aaron or Melodee to care for the cats and chickens.

9: December 2016 Debbie brought in the Log Cabin for the 6 cats so we could remodel the house for the volunteers to have an office and rest area.

10: Melodee entered the office once in a while and I fed and watered cats as well as everyone else. Melodee found them once without food and contacted Debbie who said she had plenty of food and would bring it over. The cats had a 1 pond self-feeding and watering dispenser which would go empty but there was usually a 36lb bag of cat food which was left in the office. Animal Control looked at the cats in the office and did not have a problem with their weight. They are still very healthy today.

11: She is a liar! She talked to Debbie not me and the cats never went without food.

12: Lucky is the best ranch dog in the world.

13: Haven’t seen the photos

14: Melodee had no clue how much to feed the horses. The average horse needs one flake per feeding, and if larger 2 flakes, most of the old horses were on grain and not alfalfa. We fed 5 bales a feeding twice a day. Each feeding. How many bales needed is determined by how heavy the bale was and how many flakes came in each bale and how much did each flake weigh, if I were underfeeding then all the horses would have been skinny but with every animal control inspection we went over the feed schedule and they looked at every horse and we have never been told they are underfed. Our Bales averaged over 100 lbs. usually 110 to 120 the average feeding per horse should be 5 to 8 lbs. so 5 bales would feed 100 horses and we only had 72 at the most. She has never ran a horse ranch or fed 72 animal. She didn’t even feed the 30 she was helping in fact she never fed.

15: I have never been told about a feeding matrix and since feeding is more of a science based on how the horse is gaining or losing weight and that is determined by the weather and the quality of the feed. And Trooper would lose and gain weight on a regular basis even when he was on 3 flakes per feeding. And he was supplamented with wet grain, and Micah Brill was taking care of Trooper and she has photos from the same week as the ones from Jill Boyd and he was not underweight. All horse fluctuate in weight and it’s up to us to recognize it and correct the feeding to fix it. As well as when a horse gets worms it will lose weight within a week drastically. So then we worm the horse and up the feed to get it back to normal. On two occasions Melodee texted Debbie and said there was no hay. Debbie walked into the barn and took a photo of approximately 30 bales of hay immediately and Melodee said she didn’t see it. Some days Round Up feed was so busy they brought the hay at 6 or 7 PM so Debbie and I would feed if all the volunteers were gone. I had a large dually truck and could go buy food at Menifee Feed until 8 PM if our delivery was late I would just go pick it up. And since it took 5 bales a feeding to feed and Menifee Feed was 10 minutes away I could pick up hay whenever I needed it. The horses never went one feeding without food. If a volunteer or Melodee and Holly saw a problem why didn’t they text and say for example Dawn’s stall is needing to be mucked. If they noticed something they are supposed to say what they noticed. The duties of a volunteer and that’s why they were allowed on the property was mucking stalls, cleaning water buckets, filling water buckets, reporting to Craig or Debbie if they notice a problem If the horse is low on water or fill it give the horse water. Most water buckets were in the corner so if that horse was low on water they could get it from the other stall. If they believe the horse’s hooves are getting long and need trimming tell Craig and Debbie. If they feel the horse is getting thinner tell Craig and Debbie. These are why they are volunteering. Most rescues do not allow strangers and volunteers on their rescue. We rescued unwanted, starving, neglected horses to share with those that wanted to be with horses because they couldn’t afford it or they didn’t have horse property. Not collect information and then report it to Animal Control. There was no abuse or neglect. Our photos on the Original Oak Meadows Ranch Facebook page show thousands of photos, show no conditions of what they are describing. This is a conspiracy to take over the ranch thinking they can get everything on the ranch.

16: Melodee is wrong on both reasons to water hay and volunteers. First of all the feeding schedule of what to feed was written inside the feed room where the grain was kept but she wouldn’t know that because she never fed. Second the reason to water hay is to prevent Colic. When the weather is cold at night and hot during the day it tricks the horses into not drinking enough water so they dehydrate and colic. Watering the hay down gives them the necessary water to prevent colic. Before we watered the hay we would get 1 or 2 colic’s. After we started watering the hay colic almost never happened. I taught this trick to Animal Control and they were impressed. That is the only reason to water the hay and when the weather does not swing in temperature too far it’s not necessary to water the hay. New volunteers weren’t allowed to feed without a trained feeder and they were also given the written schedule to learn what horse got what kind of feed. I supervised the board depending on the condition of each horse so it would change about every month to drop the horses that put the weight back on and to add horses that needed extra feed or supplements. We had feeder buckets in almost all stalls and volunteers were instructed to put the feed in the bucket and the horse would pick it up and toss on the ground or into their water trough. We recommended the stalls not be cleaned of all manure and to leave the dry manure for bedding and easier on their feet, and it keeps sand from sticking to the hay causing sand belly in the horses. All volunteers were taught to look behind them when they feed and if there was a head sticking up they missed it. And Debbie drove the whole ranch at least 3 times a day and if she didn’t see the horse eating she would check for hay on the ground or get another flake for the animal.

17: Melodee never spoke about the pasture to me and still has no clue how to feed. Pastured horses required 1.5 time what we feed in a stall because the horses chase each other off so by adding half a flake more than normal it gives all horses a chance to get their required feeding. If horses lost weight in pasture we would isolate them and fatten them back up. All volunteers were to throw 18 flakes in a pasture of 12 horses.

18: We only had 1 border Kathy Smith and she fed her own horse daily and it never was skinny quite the opposite. So this statement is false.

19: That’s false

20: We lived on the ranch and on occasion I would have to seal granite countertops at customers’ homes so I could afford to keep feeding horses since volunteers wouldn’t donate. We would both start working on the ranch about 6 AM and then have to leave at 9 AM or 10 AM for business. Debbie would work on the computer until 3 PM when our business back east would end and then we would go out to dinner if we had volunteers to feed, if not we fed first or when we got home. I have never heard such bullshit in my whole life.

21: We cannot find any texts regarding this conversation on my or Debbie’s phone But Debbie did want to make sure we had some coverage on Christmas day so I could take my Birthday off.

22: This is complete Bullshit we didn’t care if they bought tack for the horses but we were insulted they would spend hundreds of dollars to play with our horses and not donate anything to feed them. Debbie responds when I hear that a volunteer spent say $1500 in a month on unnecessary items instead of making hay donations or try and fundraise is upsetting.

23: Yes whenever she spoke about a horse losing weight we would worm it then add its name to the feed board which she never saw.

24: The mare was named Fawn; she was donated to us by Animal Friends of the Valleys. Willa Bagwell the Executive Director asked Officer Middleton to email us on July 8, 2016 and ask us to meet at a ranch to pick up 2 horses that they were seizing for animal cruelty. None of the officers had horse experience which included Officer Tucker and Officer Middleton since they felt at that time that we were the best rescue to help them. When we picked up the horses none of the officers had horse experience so I loaded a draft horse weighing about 1400 pounds into our trailer with no problem, and then the Painted horse we named Fawn. The draft we named Majestic and her hooves were 6” longer than they should be and Fawn was a good 300 pounds underweight. Officer Middleton said they had Dr. Cobb come out and evaluate the animals and he said they were in fairly good condition considering being underweight and we took them home. Dr. Huth was at the property so he also looked at Fawn and said the same thing. Neither Vet determined she was pregnant since she was so skinny and you couldn’t see the baby bump. August 3, 2016 I was working near Majestic, when I saw what looked like a large white dog next to her so when I went over I found little Dawn in Majestic's stall. I called Debbie and her and I carried Dawn back to Fawns stall next door because she was a paint matching Fawns coloring. Debbie held Dawn to Fawn teat’s until she started drinking on her own. This was not our first baby on the ranch since we had rescued a pregnant mare and she gave birth to our horse Shiloh. Dawn was at least 30% underweight so I bought Red Cell and Mare and Foal feed and I didn’t need to research anything I already knew what to do. Whenever Melodee said we were low on Mare and Foal I would buy it until the Foal was eating hay and didn’t need any more supplement. And since she has never foaled a horse what gives her the right to say anything.

25: Pete was a 40 yr. old Mule and was also part of the 13 rescued from Spirit Rescue. He had a

dislocated hip but got around fine until the day he could not get up. On July 30, 2016 Pete went down and I texted Holly and informed her and asked if she could help pay the cost of  euthinization. The Vet was charging $280 to euthanize and pick up and haul away was $150.00, Holly authorized $100 to Dr. Huth and we paid the other $330.00.

26: Seemed odd that she would create a GoFundMe and not include us.

Regarding Holly Wilcox:

A: Chawn became a volunteer at Oak meadows ranch and took training classes with Missy Wryn, and became an excellent trainer for horses.

B: Holly came to Oak Meadows on February 19, 2014.

Holly sponsored a rescued mare named Nikita which was a good trail rider which I personally rode on the ranch. Holly started overfeeding Nikita, and giving her sugar cubes and unnecessary supplements. I told her she was making the horse fat and to cut out all the rich grain or she would cause laminitis. Our Farrier Ignacio also told her to put Nikita on a diet or she would get Laminitis. She never listened and became belligerent with me when I told her to quit making the horse fat.

Debbie responds Craig and Debbie rescued Nikita in 2013. Her name and spelling of her name from her previous owners that lived on Palomar, Wildomar by where Helton Hay use to be is Nikita. I have always loved that name especially for her. Yes I was present when the Farrier Ignacio said that about Nikita’s diet and hooves.

C: NA

D: Holly left Oak Meadows Ranch after she Adopted Nikita and Dallas and moved them to another ranch in Winchester in violation of her adoption contracted which she hand wrote she would sponsor the horses here on the ranch for $50.00 per month and buy her own feed. A few months later she asked if she could come back to help take care of Crimson Delight another rescue, and I refused since I suspected her of calling Animal Control falsely, I then found out Nikita died a horrible death under her care.

Debbie responds since February 2014 Holly and I did see each other the ranch. We were only friendly terms and she always commenting on how I looked etc. She always said I looked good, worked hard on the ranch and Holly was interviewed twice about the ranch and at the time of being interviewed never said anything bad about the ranch. She would hug me.

E: We had a volunteer on the ranch that did mystical healing on her own time, not on the ranch and she made the comment about dolphins which we all took with a grain of salt because that’s the kind of person she was. Chawn did train Aerial from being a wild mustang to being a calm riding horse for a young teenager.  Our Vet Doc believed Aerial had Cushing disease which eventually caused her death.

F: Holly came from Villa Chardonnay and after speaking with her I did not need to do any training except keeping her from giving treats to the horses. She did only work 4 hours a day 2 days a week so how could she know what happened the other 154 hours a week on the ranch. Debbie and I built every inch of the ranch ourselves. When Holly came other days it was to only give Dallas Medicine and feed for Melodee

G: Holly’s belief in horse weight is the fatter the better which since Nikita died from being overweight we know she is wrong.  When a horse is not worked which is because holly gave Nikita Laminitis the horse was unable to run and exercise which is a good reason to keep them lean, not overweight.

H: Holly became very irritable when they built their own tack room out of old storage boxes and I told them it was an eyesore and wanted it improved which they tried but failed, whenever we borrowed her grain which she bought for my horses it was replaced, she had no problem going into our grain room and taking additional grain to fatten her favorites. The horses were not difficult just big and she was only 5 foot tall and couldn’t handle them herself.

Debbie responds the tack room was such and I sore. I advised how to fix it. All the other tack rooms were built out of T1-11. I designed the chicken coops and tack rooms and Craig and I built them. We wanted to keep a certain look. I suggested for the outside T1-11 be used.

I: NA

J: Debbie and I lived on the property and worked it every day I saw her every day she showed up and helped her anytime she asked for it whenever we did not have volunteers I fed and watered every single horse sometimes until midnight or when a horse was sick with colic I would walk it all night till it was better. Debbie would ride the golf cart around the ranch and if she saw any problems she would report it to me and I would take care of it. And holly wasn’t there every day. When she was there I did not need to water the horses because she was there to do it.

K: I was nice to her every day except chastising her feeding and the tack room. She only worked 2 days a week, not 4.

This incident never happened I did speak to her about misspelling Nikita’s name but I never followed her into the shed and I’ve never confronted her and this so called meeting with Brandon and Paige never happened.

Debbie responds as I mentioned the previous owners of Nikita named her and that was how her name was spelled. Yes I had an issue how she spelled her name. Nikita was her name, that’s how it was spelled and when she adopted Nikita she agreed to keep the name Nikita and spell it Nikita. It was a rescue at Oak Meadows Ranch but Holly wanted to do everything her way. I work on the ranch everyday hours before volunteers come to the ranch and hours after they leave the ranch. Yes sometimes I have to leave the ranch. This is a ranch and there are more chores to do than just horses. That was definitely a false statement about Brandon. Holly at that time hated Brandon.

L: Holly convinced us she was there for all the horsed not just one and even bought us a nice Christmas present sign.

Debbie responds yes it was a beautiful hand painted sign that said Oak Meadows Ranch Craig and Debra. I have never with them gone by the name Debra, only Debbie. I don’t even spell Deborah not Debra.

M: Brandon and Jennifer my Kids were feeding and taking care of the ranch and trained Therron how to feed. I was the ranch manager but Therron was trying to step up and run the ranch because everyone went to him to complain then he would tell me what they wanted. And he was retired from Cal Fire due to PTSD where he caused people to die as a Paramedic. We do not know who Teresa, Greg, or sister is, Barbara Barnaba was an Equine Therapist and she was paid to do Therapy for kids and adults. She also fed and watered every morning and before she left and was supposed to bring in Grants so we offered to let her stay as a volunteer but could not pay her so she just got another job she is still a friend of ours. Paige became the manager but had to work to supplement her income so Brandon became the manager because he convinced us he was a horse trainer and could train and adopt horses out. He failed to adopt one horse, in fact we had a sick horse named Chance which had a fever but started to improve. Brandon told me he had a buyer for Chance, I asked if he was all better and Brandon said yes and ran the horse very hard that day.  Chance was dead the next day Debbie found chance in the morning while she was doing her daily rounds.

Debbie responds another case of volunteers not informing Craig and Debbie. It took approximately 2 weeks before anyone including Paige that Chance wasn’t feeling well.

N: it was paid to Brandon if he brought in money and the pay would go back to the ranch for him to sponsor Trooper, a $200,000 horse that was donated to us and it was sanctuaried. Brandon wanted Trooper for himself. Brandon even stole my saddle which he would ride Trooper with; He also stole a saddle blanket from Micah Brill. After Therron left we started getting false accusations again to Animal Control so we started another lawsuit with Nicholas and Tomasevic attorneys at law in San Diego. When they asked for information using the freedom act to release the names calling animal control they were told there was no file by Animal Friends of the Valley. 

Debbie responds we were a volunteer ranch. We have always insisted that volunteers that come on the ranch volunteer their time. That had been our policy for years including Craig and Debbie have never been paid. Brandon was to be compensated for training and adopting out horses. Anytime it was about rehab, training and adopting out we agreed to give a percentage to that person. It started with the offer to Kara Stotesbury Johnson and never ended while we were on Bundy Canyon Rd.

O: I did not brag about people trying to shut me down we have been a target of another horse rescue known as Forgotten Horses Rescue and their Board of Director named Kara Stotesbury Johnson who was calling false reports into Animal Control because we refused to sell her a sanctuaried horse named Goldie and our rescue named Outlaw. They made thousands of false calls and we were inspected every other month by Animal Friends of the Valley who never found one violation. We started a lawsuit against them with Raxter Law which made them stop the Facebook page they spread false information on.

P: I had the gate padlocked not only to keep out indigence and unwanted people. The good volunteers would get the new gate code and I would not know who was coming or going. Holly was usually gone by 12 every day she worked there.

Debbie responds Wildomar especially Bundy Canyon is known for theft. Most people lock their door. Why should anyone just assume and expect the gates should be unlocked?

Q: Holly never told me hundreds of times but she did inform me if there was a problem and either I or Paige or Doc would take whatever actions were necessary. As for Danny all horses can get eye infections from time to time due to flies and we have a salve to put in them. Some volunteers do take off fly masks without asking and cause problems with the animals thinking they know everything about every horse. Which I was the only one who knew each horses issues. The horses can also scrape them off or another horse will pull it off for them

R: We had a licensed vet who had 20 years of equine experience he rode our horse Wyatt every day on the ranch and he would inspect and treat all the animals. Debbie and I personally assisted in sutures and other medical needs of the animals and he was definitely not timid around horses (video provided) he was 72 years old and was smart enough not to get in the way of horses to get injured. When Doc had a stroke I used Temeku Equine who was also Holly’s Vet. They are still my Veteranarian. Holly is a liar and she would call out her own Vets no matter what. Doc taught me how to treat almost every illness a horse faces so I didn’t need a vet for mundane issues it’s like calling you pedestrian each time your kid scrapes his knee.

S: Yes she did come to me whenever she wanted something and I made all efforts to keep her happy but somebody corrupted her near the end of her stay her and Melodee were becoming belligerent and argumentative so I started acting the same back to them. I became tired of them thinking they ran the ranch.

T: Debbie and I earn our money through our company called Granite Shield we purchased one 2003 Escalade to drive family around it could have 7 passengers when we sold our 36 ft. sailboat which we had owned since 2009 and it was had nothing to do with the ranch or Blue Pearl Project. We traded in Debbie’s 2002 Avalanche which was personal property and was falling apart, the ranch is very hard on vehicles for a 2003 Escalade truck that we make 470.00 a month payments to this day. The rescue was set up to help people which could not afford to buy a horse so we created a sponsorship program which would help feed the horses. We had one border for $200.00 per month and she volunteered every day Kathy smith. The Path Program did not earn any money and we let it expire when Barbara Barnaba left. We tried to set up Veteran therapy through Tricare insurance but that fell through as well and made no money on that either. We had riding lessons available first through Pam Stacey and then through Shannon Roberts but she kept that money and just paid a land use fee of $1800 per month and also volunteered on the ranch. Our total monthly income from sponsorships and other income was around $3000.00 per month. The rest of the money to run the ranch was donated by Debbie and I from our own business income. It cost about $18000.00 to run the ranch including lease, insurance, electricity, gas for equipment and feed.

U: I never found horses on the side of the road. Some horses would be delivered and the donor would pay for 1 or 2 months feed bill. People seeing our website liked the idea of sanctuary and therapy for the animals and would donate their horses.

V: Doc did have a stroke and went to rehab he came to the ranch afterwards and did some equine therapy on our therapy Duchess and he would visit about 5 more times and he came to the Memorial ceremony at the Lake Elsinore cemetery for and walked with Wyatt who does the missing man march during the ceremony. When we returned from the Cemetery that’s when we found Brandon Lopez had taken Trooper and two other horses and 2 minor girls off our ranch without permission and he crossed the very dangerous and busy street Bundy canyon where our insurance does not apply. He didn’t even have parental permission.

W: This is statement is true she refused to use DVM Charles Edgerly (doc) and I didn’t have a problem with them calling out and paying for their own vet. Doc also did not care for her because she was a Know it all and new nothing on caring properly for a horse, that’s why Nikita died.

X: Most of these statements from Holly is completely false. Serenity had gotten stuck in the railing overnight and Debbie found her at 8 in the morning. She had fallen onto the water buckets and was muddy. We moved the railing and got serenity up and treated her for colic. She was given a shot of Banamine and was stabilized we gave her lots of water.  We started walking her which is the traditional treatment for colic because you are trying to move the blockage through their intestines. Some girls wanted to bathe her which would be good to get the mud off and you can see in photo supplied she was not in pain or distress getting brushed by the volunteer. I was busy running a Gymkhana that day which by the way makes no money after buying ribbons for prizes.I’ve treated at least 50 colic’s in 4 years and they usually get better unless they twisted their gut and then it’s either an expensive surgery or death. I personally called Dr. Huth and discussed the conditions of Serenity and at that time she looked like she would make it so he said he did not need to come out. The end of December 2016 and January 2017 we were having many storms and flooding. Debbie had many photos and videos of the storms even the conditions of the arena. When David Boyd showed up I asked him to walk Serenity around the round pen and it was at this time he asked me that if he donated $1500.00 to install drainage in the arena, which I was running a fundraiser for, would I sell his wife Jill Boyd our personal horse named Sapphire, which his wife wanted badly and we had refused 2 other requests from them already. We have refused several attempts by people to buy Sapphire since she is a beauty and we bought her with our own money from the auction and spent thousands to repair her torn uterus. I considered this as bribery to get the horse and I mentioned to a volunteer. They apparently told David I didn’t appreciate him trying to coerce me into selling and David called me and told me I would be sorry for refusing. I then banned him from the ranch after I let Jill Boyd adopt Autumn. David tried to get back on the ranch saying he wanted to fix Cody’s feeder which he and Jill also wanted to adopt and I told him no so he was quite angry and said so the ranch is only closed to me. I replied it’s only open to a few select people. After everyone left Debbie stayed with Serenity which she started to walk then was sitting up in a resting position and eating a bowl of grain until 11 o’clock and then sometime in the middle of the night she had passed away.  She did not suffer as these laymen volunteers claim. We avoid using a Vet to put a horse down since it causes violent spasms and is worse than a natural death.

Y: JJ was a rescue from Spirit Horse Rescue in Lake View Terrace. We had picked up 13 horses for the director named Elizabeth Wiley. Elizabeth donated $800.00 per month to feed 13 horses including the horse named Princess which was a 30 year old horse and when Holly saw Doc and Princess the horse had suffered a stroke and I asked Holly to leave so we could put her down. JJ had been kicked in the thigh by a horse at Spirit Horse Rescue and received a permanent injury called Acute Lymphatic blockage. The lymph could go down the leg but would not come back out. The lymph eventually burst out through the ankle and would drain so the leg would get skinny again. Then it would plug up and the leg would get fat. There was no abscess but what’s called proud flesh which is grown from the lymph. JJ was loved by many volunteers who would take care of him and as long as he could stand and walk and eat there was no reason to put him down because he wasn’t in pain. Again she just wanted to kill a horse.

Z: Holly lied about finding JJ!! JJ died October 31, 2016 we believe he had a stroke because he was fine at feeding time the night before, that night before Debbie heard a large crash which we thought was the dumpster rolled down and hit my truck then later another crash, Debbie found JJ at 12:45 AM stuck in the pipe stall, Not Holly!  Debbie called me to get him loose and he was barely breathing he was bleeding a little from his mouth and he passed away in front of us hardly any blood. When a horse dies its bowels empty and leave a lot of fluid on the ground. Holly texted Debbie Debbie had texted this encounter to Holly on October 31, 20016 and Holly claimed it was her own experience we don’t believe Holly was even on the ranch that day because she texted back at 630 PM on October 31 saying she was” saddened by the loss of JJ. My heart goes out to you”

1: Holly and Melodee were paying Dr. Huth to treat Dallas which had an autoimmune disease and was also part of the 13 horses rescued for Spirit rescue. I kept recommending they put Dallas down when his skin condition started getting worse but Melodee was so in love with Dallas she kept calling Dr. Huth out to try something different each time.

2: We didn’t need other Vet services because Doc was a volunteer licensed Vet on the property almost every day. Doc was at the ranch so often most of the Animal Control visits Doc was present.

3: Pete was a 40 year old mule which had a displaced hip and an absys that was being treated and when he finally went down and couldn’t get up Melody offered to pay for his euthinization. Pete was also part of the 13 horses from Spirit Rescue.  Again I would rather a horse die a natural death unless it causes pain and suffering.

4: Any food that she bought was of her own choosing we had more than enough food every day on the ranch.  She only fed 2 horses, Nikita, and Dallas i believe on 2 or 3 times she and Melodee would pay for about 10 bales at Round Up Feed for a donation. We bought from three suppliers Round up Feed, DeJongs dairy, and Menifee feed. Our feed bill ran $7000.00 per month and Holly and Melodee never donated money to the ranch but helped once to raise money to buy hay. Holly did sponsor Nikita for 50.00 per month.

5: Melody said some horses had hives and she could buy supplements for it and I said ok or but a fly sheet on them because they are allergic to fly bites.

6: She donated money for the cover and she did get the cover installed and I never said “too bad”, I did buy hay with her deposit but I provided the cover which was installed above Nikita.

7: We lived on the ranch and worked from 6 PM to 11 PM every day 7 days a week, our only fun was going to the CJ’s restaurant which is located inside the Casino it has great food and good pricing plus 50 or so tv which cover all sports activities. We have never ever gambled in the casino not once. We do not gamble at all. I have already explained our use cars that we got at quite a good deal.

8: I have owned boats since 1999 and my personal hobbies will not and should not be sacrificed for the horse rescue. The only reason I told Holly and Melodee we need money to feed the horses was to get them to donate something to the whole ranch not just 2 horses.  We have never missed one feeding since we opened in 2012.

9: Chickens were on the ranch living in the barn when we leased the property and they were free range. Apparently Holly has never raised chickens or she would know they molt and lose feathers and they fight with each other and cause injuries. The boxes she is talking about were brooder boxes which after the babies hatched were moved to the large chicken coop. The large chicken coop and a hospital inside where Debbie would take injured chickens and would bring them back to health. She kept the bacteria and mites under control using food grade diatomaceous earth which is a white powdery substance. We would sell chickens and the chicken and horse manure to help raise money for the ranch.

10: The Log Cabin was bought as a rent to own for the 6 cats which were in the ranch house. They were in the house because we got them as Ferril cats to keep the rat population under control. Unfortunately we had a white barn owl that lived the barn and in the big oak tree which acquired a taste for cats. After we lost 5 cats to the owl we moved them indoors. Holly never asked me about air conditioning, but Debbie and I had a portable AC unit which was going to be installed the same week as the illegal raid. And we were about to build an exterior enclosed patio which had already installed the cat door. The Log Cabin came with a roof vent and windows for ventilation and the fan was running when we were raided. And Debbie would sit with the cats every day at feeding time getting dry and canned cat food and they could have gone outside if they wanted to. Debbie kept the door locked because Jill and other volunteers would go around and open the doors to chicken thinking they were freeing the captives however they were sending them to their death either by owl, hawk, or coyotes. When Debbie sat with the cats during feeding time the door was left open but they loved being petted by Debbie and eat.

1: The 2 cats in the office trailer were there for rodent control and the litter box was changed by Therron every day and so did Barry Blythe, Melodee was only there 2 days a week and they were fed every day and given water. They were almost overweight they were so well fed. Again we kept them locked in for their own safety and the day Barry left the door open Mr. Whiskers disappeared probably by the owl. I also cleaned litter boxes and watered and fed them daily, somebody did every day.

12: The chickens were there when we leased the property and Debbie never asked Melodee to spray chickens but when it was very hot Debbie would mist down the chickens and chicken coop floor to cool them off and let them catch more bugs in the dirt. Debbie did sell chickens and manure. Debbie stopped selling eggs in 2014 due to lack of sales. She focused on hatching eggs and letting them grow up and sell them when the hens were about 4 months old.

13: Our dogs are ranch dogs for security and they were not in cages but 5x10 kennels or larger which were on pavers with shade cover and windscreen and misters for the hot days. With 5 gallon water buckets and Igloo dog houses as well. We had mountain lions, coyotes and even human thieves on the ranch which is why we have good security dogs. We had one horse bit by a Bobcat, and many chickens were stolen by coyotes. The dogs protected us.

14: The pigs were donated to the ranch already pregnant and we sold pigs to earn money and they were just being pigs knocking over their water with hours and rolling in the mud having fun and it was a good experience for the kids who visited the ranch during the rainy season the pig pen would flood and always needed cleaning which myself other volunteers did.

15: We lived on a 21 acre working ranch which we had a rescued goat named Floppy from a volunteer and then we got another goat named Nikki Bella that Debbie traded 6 full grown hens for Nikki. Our horse trainer Shannon Roberts owned Snope’ that got Nikki pregnant. We have traded and sold goats. We got pigs because their worth $400 a piglet. And we had different female goats which are not inbred and we sell and trade those for feed. The chickens were already here and we sell chicken manure and chickens for feed.

16: Holly adopted Nikita and Dallas, not bought. And left the property in violation of a written contract.

17: We did not sell horses we only adopted them out if they were rescues belonging to Blue Pearl Project unless they are our personal horses which then would be sold privately and not adopted out thru the rescue. Since 2012 we probably rehomed around 20 horses. Debbie had 21 acres to inspect so she used the golf cart to do so and was also running our business from 5 AM since we dealt with east coast and she also has Diabetes and high blood pressure to deal with. Now she has the stress of false accusation to deal with. Debbie has a lot of text communication with Holly which contradicts Holly’s accusation of not dealing with her and it was almost always amicable.

Debbie responds approximately January 2016 a reporter for My Valley News did a story about Oak Meadows Ranch. I sat next to the reporter and Holly on the bleachers by the arena as horse therapy was going on. Holly praised Oak Meadows Ranch and even says she cleans, mucking the horse stalls. I have photos of her volunteering. I have never seen the conditions discussed unless we have had a rain storm and of course the stalls would be muddy. Most horses don’t stand under a shade cover when it rains. The stalls get more muddy when it rains when it has a shade cover. Holly is also seen in a professional video about Oak Meadows Ranch done approximately June 2016 as if she is in heaven.

18: Nobody told me or Debbie Chance was sick when they told Doc he said it was the flu and we treated him with antibiotics. Paige asked about starting a fundraiser to pay for a blood test which we already had one on Amazon. Doc said the horse could have strangles but did not show those symptoms and if it were true the other horses would also have it. Chance started improving which is when Brandon said he had someone to adopt him the next day, and I asked if chance was well enough and he said yes, then he ran the horse hard and it died that night. Brandon was involved in several horses death, Holly told Kathy Smith Brandon kicked my horse Yabo in the belly so hard he vomited (and horses don’t vomit) Yabo died 2 weeks later, I had 2 horses adopted out with a deposit in my hand for Cherry and Kate both trained riding horses for $3000.00 Brandon ran down the adoptees at the front gate and told them not to adopt them causing the ranch to lose 3000.00 I have texts to prove this fact. He was also seen kicking my dog Lucky. Cherry was found dead the next morning in the pasture probably kicked in the gut. That was the day I fired Brandon and told him to leave the ranch.

19: she is lying I never even new Brandon had a buyer and then when Chance died I asked him what happened to the buyer and he said he called them not to come out but I don’t think there ever was a buyer and Brandon just ran the horse to kill it.

20: The Trooper photo was doctored by Jill Boyd because our volunteer Micah Brill has photos of Trooper on the same week showing him a healthy weight. Sapphire has never been underweight and has never coliced so those are probably doctored as well.

21: Sapphire was bought by Craig and Debbie in 2012 at Mike’s Livestock Auction she was full of infection from having been ripped open giving birth. We paid around $1500.00 to a Vet to suture her up and gave lots of antibiotics, it took almost a year to heal her and then we started training her. She is our personal horse which has never been for sale and Jill Boyd new this but kept trying to buy her including David Boyd tried to bribe me to sell her, she has never been underweight. According to their logic if they help feed a horse they deserve to take the horse.

22: Radar was close to 30 years old and when we were forced to move due to this harassment the horses do suffer from stress and unfortunately Radar Coliced suddenly and we called out Temeku Equine who euthanized him. Samson was 28 years old and was one of the 13 rescued for Spirit horse rescue and he was 400 pounds underweight when I rescued him he had very labored breathing due to his condition, it took us a year to get his weight back and when we moved, Roe refused to come and see him even though she had an open invitation but we refused to sell her Sampson because of the “raid” which apparently she was a part of. Once Melodee, Holly, Jill, Lisette started behaving like they did we decided not to rehome horses to those that would visit our ranch. Just alone those 4 today all of those horses are dead under their care. Chawn thinks he died of a broken heart since Roe abandoned him. I agree

23. NA

24. I was coming down the hill on Sage Rd. when I spotted Holly’s car about to turn right towards our new ranch. Therron Hubbel had followed me home one day and posted on Facebook our new address and told everyone to call Animal Control and harass us further when Holly saw me she turned her wheels straight and went up the hill and pulled into a driveway I did follow to the entrance of the driveway and waited to see if she was again going to head toward our new location. I was feeling very vulnerable and harassed so I called and told my attorney that I thought she was going to come out and spy on us. I am very paranoid now because of all the lies and spying being done admittedly by Therron and the others.

Receipt for photos: Trash behind stalls was left by a temporary trainer and was removed and put in dumpster. Spa was donated to be used as water trough but we dismantled it and threw in dumpster. Trooper photo is doctored we have photos at same time which show normal weight. Photo of black horse with ribs, we believe is Yabo right before he died after Holly told us Brandon had kicked him so hard he threw up and or shit himself, and then he died and it wasn’t until after he died that Holly told us about the kicking incident so I could have the Vet look at him. One blue bucket photo shows a bucket behind it full of water, so why even take a picture instead of filling up the bucket which is what her position was on the ranch.The second blue bucket photo was in Nikita's stall and you can tell from the color of the algae because it is dark and not grey that the bucket was just emptied and you can see the ground behind it is wet.  So this is a staged photo. And again it’s her job on the ranch to water horses. Sapphire was our personal horse which we saved from Mike’s Livestock Auction with our own money and was never for sale even if someone gave her more food which she never needed she was always in great shape after we healed her wounds. The photo with the family and a Painted pony named Little Charlie was giving children a pony ride. The picture of the Path sign was installed when Barbara Barnaba who was a Path instructor, signed us up to be a Path certified ranch, after she left we did not do any more Path training. Posting about our personal horses, this was regarding Jill Boyd and other volunteers who thought that they could buy or adopt any horse on the ranch. This was never the case. Picture of little Charlie the Pony which has never been sick, or underweight after a horrible rain storm which in December 2016 and January 2017 was raining continuously and these photos were taken after the rainstorms so the stall were muddy but because of the way I graded the stalls before installation they would usually dry up in a day or two. Photo of 2 horses in mud and comments about help about nice to have a cover. Only 1 out of 20 horses might stand under a cover in the rain they usually stand in the rain. We would only blanket a horse if they did not grow a good winter coat or if they were sick or started to shiver, blanketing then would cause a horse to get stuck laying down in the mud which they liked to do so we always advised against it unless necessary. And covers are not required by law in the County of Riverside. Photo of horse eating out of red bucket. When a horse needed additional weight added from either illness or not able to eat alfalfa due to lack of teeth from age, we would supplement their feed with wet Grain, this consisted of 5 pounds of alfalfa pellets, 1 pound Senior feed, 1 pond Beet Pulp, 1 pound rice bran and sometimes would include medicine in wet feed such as wormer, sand purge, pro biotic and Bute if they were in pain. Photo of Donna who was a regular volunteer who was feeding and watering horses. Horse in mud after rainstorm not sure what horse it is. My personal horse Gunner I the Palomino after the bad rainstorm and after he took a mud bath. Horses liked to roll in the mud just like dogs. Picture of Serenity after she thrashed into the water buckets, there was no manure in the stall; she was muddy from the water buckets both of them. We never heard her thrashing about because we live on the opposite side of the ranch. Debbie found Serenity in the morning and we freed her and treated with what a Vet would have done since I had banamine and was taught how to administer it.

Debbie responds please see the resume of DVM Charles Edgerly. Craig and Debbie had approximately 4 years of training by DVM Charles Edgerly on a daily basis for all animals not just horses. Craig and Debbie have had more training then most how to care and feed horses and how to treat colic.

I always asked volunteers if they would like to help pay for expenses when a horse passed away, they were supposed to be helping financially. That’s what nonprofits do is get donations to cover expenses.

Jim a volunteers  and I got her to her feet, gave lots of water and gave her a shot of banamine, then walked her to get her gut clear since colic is caused by an intestinal blockage and walking will help them poop, She did Poop and drank of water so we thought she was out of the woods, when she would fall down she always got back up and I spoke to Dr. Huth about 6 PM and since she was walking and eating and drinking he said we could wait to see what happened. Unfortunately she passed away that sitting comfortably showing no signs of colic just seemed tired from her ordeal. Debbie sat with her until 11 PM at night. The comments about knowing the horse had twisted a gut means they are smarter than a Vet because you cannot tell unless you do an extra, they never claimed they knew the horse would die. I would have had the Vet out if I didn’t believe she was going to make it. And I have dealt with a lot of colic that I have saved the horse. I have had 70 horses to care for over 4 years and have a lot more experience with colic than any of the volunteers. Their whole testimony is a lie.

The photo of who was under Docs treatment, and had a high fever. Holly claimed that Chance had Strangles which was not diagnosed. And we told her to quit spreading rumors unless it was diagnosed. The volunteers failed to report Chances illness to Debbie or me for 2 weeks. Then we had Doc look at him and put him on antibiotics. Chance started to improve and was looking better when Brandon Lopez came to me and said he had an adoptee for Chance, when I asked if Chance was well, Brandon said yes and he was going to train him so Brandon took Chance out to the big arena and ran him very hard. The next morning Chance was found By Debbie with food still in his mouth. When Doc looked at him he thought it was a heart attack, this makes sense since he had just been ill and Brandon ran him hard.

The next day no one showed to look at Chance and when I asked him where were the buyers he said he called them and told them not to come out. Which he couldn’t have because he hadn’t been told about Chance yet.

Picture of JJ was not an infection it was Acute Lymphatic Blockage, from a kick from a horse at another rescue. The wound on the leg was where the lymph leaked out of the leg and grew proud flesh. jj walked well and still could lay down and get back up on his own accord. He had been examined by Vets from UC Davis, Our Doc, and Animal Controls vet. He died of old age nothing more.

The Pond was built by me and volunteers, it had fish, turtles, lily pads and frogs for 3 years, then it developed a leak in the liner and we couldn’t keep it full of water and that’s all there is too it.

After heavy winds up to 60 miles an hour some of the panels which were leaning against another stall were blown over onto a hill.

The photo of the red horse with wounds looks like Dallas who Melodee and Holly were taking care of and he had an incurable autoimmune skin disorder and the top wound is what they were putting on him and the bottom is what kept breaking out. I advised to put him down and they adopted him instead removed him from the ranch and then he died under their care.

The photo of horse in mud might be Serenity after she dumped the water on her and you can see its water not manure on the ground this was before we got her up after we moved the railing. Then she got up and we started treatment for Colic.

I never declined having Farriers trim hooves however i did not allow certain Farrier’s on the ranch after we tried them and they did poor work, we would have a Farrier out once a week and would trim 4-6 horses each time as needed. Horses grow their hooves at different time frames so I did rely on Volunteers to inform me if a horse looked like it needed a trim. Many volunteers did offer to pay for their favorite horses to be trimmed and they would pay Ignacio direct. I have had Ignacio Marcial trimming my horses since 2012 and has done hundreds for me on the ranch and he is still with me and will testify we do get all of them done as needed. And we have a video he made for us on the ranch. The horse in the photo was probably trimmed that week or even the same day.

We had money to trim horses but it would have come out of our own pocket since the rescue only made $3000.00 per month.

We had a United States nonprofit corporation with a 501c3 out of Wyoming

We Paid $800 per month to Stanford insurance for $1,000,000.00, $2,000,000.00 dollar policy #PgP0842585 which was also a commercial insurance for the land and property.

We did require a liability release per our insurance carrier and owner of the property for volunteers or visitors to come onto the property.

 

We use Gonzales CPA to do our books, and we never comingled funds since the Rescue only brought in about $3000.00 per month and the cost to operate the ranch was approximately $18,000.00 per month so we donated or paid for everything else out of our own pockets.

Regarding Bill Hepburn:

A: True

B: True

C: Unknown

D: Unknown

E: NA

F: Holly, Melodee and Bill were only on the ranch 2 days a week and 2 to 4 hours per day.

G: Na

H: True

I: Chance did not just fall over; he had pneumonia which our licensed Vet DVM Charles Edgerly treated with Polyflex an antibiotic. After weeks of treatment Brandon Lopez said he was better and that Brandon had a person coming to look at him for adoption. Then Brandon rode Chance so hard that day causing him to sweat profusely. The next day Chance was dead from being ridden to hard by Brandon Lopez.

J: True he only worked 2 days a week a few hours a day

K: Crimson Delight was sanctuaried at the ranch by its owner. She never had an infection in her leg. She had an abscess which our Farrier Ignacio cut out and treated with Icthamol to treat the absys. Crimson was being trained by our trainer Kim Genes who was also an FDA employee volunteering on the ranch. Crimson was never 400 pounds underweight. She was also only there for 2 years. Not several. We cared for every horse. If she was underweight why didn’t animal control ever notate it in every inspection that

we passed with no violations.

L: the infection is known as an absys and all horses get them from time to time from bacteria getting into the hoof. The treatment is to cut open the absys and pack it with Icthamol, then tape the hoof with duct tape. Any supplements given to the horse was not cleared by my or a vet.

M: Bill never donated any money to help support the horses. I am a business man and never scammed or conned anybody. Debbie responds: Anyone that adopts a horse signs an adoption contract. Bill never adopted Crimson. Crimson is an ex race horse born at the Harris Ranch in Central California. She had 6 foals from the previous owner. He gave us breeding rights but we never bred her. The previous owner is part of the Harris Family that breeds and races horses. That includes the Harris Ranch restaurant in Coalinga, CA. He donated a stall minus a shade cover for her. He donated her with the promise she would live out her life with us. Crimson was a sanctuaried horse.

N: When the false calls to animal control kept coming in we locked the gates and asked any visitors to join a club and pay 20 dollars. Bill paid once. The paperwork clearly states that the club members were not to spread false rumors about the ranch.

O: Bill never adopted Crimson Delight he took care of her when he was there and wanted to buy her but she was sanctuaried and not for sale and he knew this. Water was never an issue. We had our own well with a 3000 gallon water tank with gravity feed if our well or power went out. Bill was there 2 days a week how does he know what we did. At the end of the day Debbie and I would tour the ranch and any low waters were refilled. Holly Melodee and bill would say the watering was done and I would double check and find they forgot to do some horses, so I would water until everything was done.

P: Crimson was turned out often by other volunteers not just Bill. And yes it’s good for their health

Q: False the volunteers would pay for their favorite horses and I Paid Ignacio and Hannah for all the other horses on the ranch, please see checks provided.

R: Bill never donated money but Holly and Melodee did donate money for 2 covers which I provided and since we had no strong male volunteers to help install them Holly and Melodee hired their own installer which I helped to install the two covers they had paid me for.

S: Serenity was found at 8:20 AM by my wife Debbie who called me to help get her up. She was stuck in the stall rails so Jim Kiesner a trainer on the ranch helped me remove the pipe stall and get her up. Bill was not there. After getting Serenity up I gave her water to hydrate her and then gave her a shot of Banamine to reduce the pain which is the normal treatment for Colic. I did not hear gut sound so walking the horse helps move the blockage thru the intestines to fix the colic. After she was walking and standing under her own I had a volunteer wash the mud off since she had rolled into her full water bucket and spilled them on her. If horses lay down their intestines do not twist unless the horse is thrashing and rolling back and forth from pain then the gut can twist which is was I suspected when she rolled into the railing and got stuck. I called Dr. Huth and left a message when he called back he said he was out of town so I explained the treatment I had given and the results were she was walking normal eating senior feed mixed with mineral oil and water. Normally if the horse is standing comfortably and eating food and she had pooped a little they are out of the woods. My wife sat with her until 9:17 PM and Serenity was sitting comfortably and eating the food. (Pictures were provided to our council) Debbie found her Jan 30 at 8:08 AM approximately 10 feet from her food where she passed away quietly. The photo from Bill looks doctored our photo was sent to council.

T: I called Dr. Huth and he said we would wait to see in the morning since he was out of town.

U: JJ did not have an infection he had Lymphitus, caused by a kick to his leg at another rescue before it was brought to Me, DVM Charles Edgerly treated him for infection when we first got him and gave him injections of Polyflex and dexamethasone to reduce the swelling but nothing helped. The growth on the leg doc called proud flesh which grew because of the lymph leaking out of the leg. When it leaked the swelling would go down then it would plug up and the swelling would return. JJ was able to walk eat and lie down and get back up the whole time. My Wife Debbie found JJ October 31, 2016 at 12:43 AM stuck under the pipe stall and called me to get him out. After freeing him he had a little blood on his mouth and he died in my arms right then. Photo was provided to council there was no blood that night but in the morning JJ had expelled his bowl contents in the stall.

V: He was only there 2 days week the farriers came every week and we paid them if the volunteers did not. Checks were proved to my council.

W: We never received any money from the owners for Crimson. They had bought a pipe stall to keep her in without a cover and they sanctuaried her with us. Why would Bill arrange for another sanctuary to take care of Crimson if we would not sell to him?

X: The ranch had construction debris in some areas that were not known to us until after we leased the property but Crimson was on solid ground with granite boulders exposed. We moved her from that location to a covered stall, and the argument Bill is stating never happened. And I did not move Crimson.

Y: Bills opinion of standard of care is not true there is no law that a horse has to have a cover in Riverside County they rarely use them when they have them.

Z: Bill was there 2 days a week we had approximately 30 volunteers per month coming and going as they pleased. Bill could not have known how many were on the ranch and what days.

1: Debbie took care of the pig every day and so did volunteers like Micah Brill, Kathy Smith, The water was filled daily and there was no feed bag on the cage because pigs eat pig food out of a bowl which was kept in a metal trash can next to the pig.

Debbie responds: In the morning before volunteers came on the ranch I drove my golf cart around the entire ranch inspecting the horses and animals including water. If there was a problem I called or texted Craig. If a water pipe was broke or a hose was broke I told Craig. We had 1 female goat from approximately 2014 named Floppy. She was in the pasture area with the mini horses and mini donkeys. Approximately February 2016 I traded approximately 6 of my purebred hens for a Nigerian Dwarf female goat named Nikki Bella. Shannon Roberts our riding instructor had a male Nigerian Dwarf goat named Snope’. I believed Snope’ impregnated my goat Nikki Bella. Shannon Roberts kept telling me she didn’t believe my goat was pregnant. Approximately 5 months later Nikki Bella delivered baby goats. Temporary housing was made for Nikki Bella and her baby goats. We then made permanent housing. I personally fed and watered every morning grain to the goats and watered them before 8:30 AM and fed the pig the amount of grain DVM Charles Edgerly said to give to the pig and gave her water. Those that fed the horses each day would also give hay to the goats.

2: Debbie took care of the goats along with the same volunteers as listed above. Statement from volunteers was provided to council.

3: Melodee volunteered to manage the volunteers and she organized private meeting to discuss how to steal our horses by getting us shut down. If you read every statement they all have the same complaints but with different facts.

4: False Debbie asked them to finish it with T1-11 siding and it was very crooked like a shanty shack and it did not fit the décor of a western ranch we were trying to accomplish. I offered to rebuild it and they refused.

5: False, the cats log cabin which cost $5800.00 bought with our personal money, was located 50 ft. from the feed barn. There were only 6 cats which were very healthy if you look at the video taken by animal control where Debbie held up each cat showing how healthy they were. The chicken coops her referred to were 32 square feet of upper and lower areas which each held about 5 to 8 chickens the law calls for 1 square foot per chicken.

Debbie responds: We have supplied to our counsel many photos of the dog kennels, log cabin and chicken coops. The dogs, cats, chickens and ducks were fed and watered daily. The only time the chickens didn’t look good was when they were molting. They all have excellent living conditions. The dogs and cats always looked good, healthy, and fat.

6: We own a 2002 Chevy Avalanche which I purchased brand new in 2002 and a 2003 Cadillac Escalade which is a family car, not ranch vehicle. The Escalade has only had bags of grain in it, not hay but we used a 2000 Ford dually to buy 10 to 20 bales of feed when needed and we fed 4 to 6 bales per feeding depending on the weight of each bale he was only there 2 days a week so he did not see Debbie and I feeding when we did not have volunteers.

7: False horses were fed twice a day some even got lunch if their weight was low. Animal control found hay on the ranch during every inspection and never cited us for any violation and horses were always fed properly. Photo of Crimson does not show any ribs and butt area is full showing the animal is of good weight not obese which is how the volunteers want them. Our vet was always on the ranch please see his resume and letter from his wife provide to council. She was never in poor condition as he states. Animal control would have notated it. Second photo of Crimson in arena, she always was turned out. Dallas had an auto immune skin disease which DVM Charles Edgerly treated at first then Melodee asked if she could bring in Dr. Huth which I agreed and he treated Dallas until Holly adopted him for Melodee. I kept informing Melodee that Dallas should be put down. After they adopted the horses and moved them away both Dallas and Nikita died at the hands of Melodee and Holly.

8: We did not have a counter top molding company on the ranch. I seal granite countertops at customer’s homes. No chemicals were ever released on the ranch and code enforcement was called 3 times by Therron Hubbell with those false accusations. Nothing was ever found. Therron was pissed off because we would not sell him Duchess our therapy horse for autistic children, Apache we kept for our native American friends, and the DVM Charles Edgerly forbid him from floating horses teeth on the ranch since it was illegal to do so without a vet present and DVM (Doc) Charles Edgerly did not trust Therron to do it right. DVM Charles Edgerly helped write the laws for Vets floating teeth in Sacramento. Morgan was a 26 year old Morgan horse, he had hip problems and if he laid down sometimes he need help getting up. During cold snaps Melodee and others would blanket him and then he would lay down and get stuck in the blanket. A volunteer named Lyzette adopted him and said her grandfather would help take care of him but she gave him to Holly violating her adoption contract and Morgan also died under Holly’s care.

Serenity I have already told the truth about. These are all lies.

 

 

 

 

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Rosemarie Eisner, Holly Wilcox, Melodee Latta, David Boyd, Jill Boyd, Tim Hieter, Officer Monquenec Middleton, Therron Hubbell, Bill Hepburn, Dr. Susan Eyer-Anderson, Lt. Lesley Huennekens, Dr. Celeste Martin, Dr. Allan Drusys